In comparing the file formats, make sure you are comparing what you think
are. That is, the mp3Pro plugin for Winamp, trial/licensed, reportedly
played/decoded a 128kbs file non-Pro to less quality than the other
available mp3 decoders. (Trickery). Also it didn't decode above 128kbs so
your 320kbs file would sound like 128kbs. Before comparing, you need to
make sure you have a quality CODEC such as Fraunhoffer IIS MPEG Layer-3
(Professional) installed. I can easily hear differences between 160 and
anything less and in some music all the way to 320kbs. To me those lower
bit rates are a marketing ploy to sell junk, after all I'm able to put
plenty of music on one CD at 320kbs. A loss-less compression standard for
players/recorders would be far more useful than any advances in MP3,WMA,
etc.

"TechMaster" <jtjdt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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you already have a lossless format. it's called wav...

In article <bdjjfs$285$1@info.service.rug.nl>, cyberia@nospam.org says...

Except that wav is not a compression format at all.

We do have .ape (Monkey's Audio) or FLAC (if you use Linux) as well as a
number of others, though.

Good page about lossless audio compression here:
http://mp3.radified.com/lossless.htm

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if those lossless encoders only achieve a reduction of about 50%,
why bother with them?

just buy a bigger harddisk or wait till these are available for a
decent price. in the meantime just play the original compact
disc.

mp3 or wma achieve a reduction of 90% or more, while retaining
good sound quality.

In article <bdjv8k$5nd$1@info.service.rug.nl>, cyberia@nospam.org says...

Yes.

At least you have taken the time to test using those ears, many people
who involve themselves in discussions of this kind have only read
"reviews" and/or press releases.

If the formats you mention at the compression ratios you mention are
sufficient for your equipment, ears, and tastes then there is surely no
reason for you to use any other.

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In article <bdk0rg$67r$1@info.service.rug.nl>, cyberia@nospam.org says...

I'm not sure why you would discount a 50% reduction in size as
irrelevant.

Just for one example, I recently downloaded a large Dead concert set in
..ape format that was further compressed (well, probably not much more
compression was achieved) into a .rar archive. The download was still a
touch over 1 Gig. I had to ponder for a bit whether I was willing to
devote that much time and that much of my news-service account limit to
one live set but if it had been over 2 Gigs I don't think I would have
considered it at all.
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ok, ok, i know what you mean. i was more referring to the savings
on the harddisk. computer background memory increases very fast
and in a few years storing your cd-collection in wav-format
should be no problem any more.

40% storage save *is* small compared to 90 to 95%. ;-)

thank you. just downloaded the monkey software btw. just for fun.

i'm using windows media player 9 and for the most part use that
wma vbr setting, i mentioned. a few mp3-files. the windows player
also contains a lossless codec. do you know anything about that
one?

i love to have all my music accessible from the desktop on the
fly! ;-)

http://ff123.net/64test/results.html Those are the listening tests I was
refreering to when I said www.hydrogenaudio.org Don't worry they are making
new test results page with the latest codecs, HE-AAC and WMA9 VBR 2-Pass.
Just keep checking www.hydrogenaudio.org for more information. There was
also a 128KBPS AAC test and Quicktime 6.3 won.



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In article <bdk4ku$79j$1@info.service.rug.nl>, cyberia@nospam.org says...

Not a thing, other than the fact that if it is a lossless codec then it
should give you the same results as playing the music from a wav file,
no?

Given that you use (and apparently like) WMP9, the WMA Lossless codec
would likely be the one for you, I suppose.

You're absolutely right in your other post, though. None of them are
going to compare as far as space savings for keeping the files on a hard
drive to .wma (or .mp3).

The losslessly encoded Dead show I mentioned earlier has already been
converted to .mp3 on here for just that reason, although I did burn it as
an audio CD before encoding it.

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i encoded the same wav-file twice. once with monkey and once with
the wma9 lossless codec called from a batch-file. i got two files
with about the same size. monkey was faster.

and now i would like to seduce a woman.

In the previous post, Cyberia says...
Interesting. Thanks for sharing the result of your test. I knew
Monkey's Audio was a good one, but hadn't heard results of any side by
testing with the new wma9 stuff.

I can't really help you with this other than to suggest you don't try it
from the "command line"....they like a good graphic interface much more
in my experience. Good luck, though ;-)

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In the previous post, Cyberia says...

No. It won't let me change that encoder either. Using that same route
it works fine with the mp3enc31.exe installed in the external directory
but not with the fastenc.exe.

You can find a frontend for that fastenc fairly easily though. Here's
one: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~w.speek/speek.htm.

Excellent. Apparently you have a good working version of woman.exe
installed. I've heard there are problems with the wife v1.0,
particularly a nasty compatibility problem with any previous versions of
girlfriend.exe you may have installed but hopefully that will all be
addressed in v2.0. < http://www.mb21.co.uk/fun/fun015.shtml >

I wish you continued good luck with it. ;-)
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the idea occurred to me, because the monkey-gui gives you the
opportunity to name the .exe. weird.

the ogg-encoder let's itself feed with parameters easily from
monkey though.

thank you.

i use a true multitasking operating system. many virtual
adresspaces. no problem. ;-)