Can anyone recommend any alternatives to Nero?

At the moment I have the Nero 6 reloaded suite, which includes Nero
Burning Rom, Nero Vision Express etc.

Unfortunately I've had a couple of problems with Nero 6, one of my
files that I saved for a project wont open any more so I've lost a
load of saved work and not best impressed with Nero. Tried
uninstalling and reinstalling numerous to the latest version of Nero 6
but file still wont open.

I heard a lot of bad things about Nero 7 being buggy so never upgraded
to that one. Was considering going with Nero 8 the newest version just
out now, but if I did that there is no guarantee this project I saved
in Nero 6 is going to work in Nero 8 after I've splashed out a load of
money on it.

Speaking of which, when I have been to the Nero site in the last month
or so and chosen the upgrade option I have a huge complaint against
Nero for discriminating and ripping off British consumers.

{When I go to the Nero site and check the link to upgrade to Nero 8
and I enter my serial number it says that I am a loyal customer and
get it for a discount at €47.99 instead of €59.99.

When I then click on the add to cart button it takes me to a new
webpage. On this page it has converted all the Euro currency to
British Pounds, but it has either done so at an incorrect rate of
exchange, or it has based it on the full price, not the discounted
price for being a loyal customer.

The reason it has to have done this is because the price it gives me
in Pounds just for Nero 8 is £39.99.

On 24/11/2007 when I checked Nero site for this upgrade the rate of
exchange was 1.3887711157 € to £1 therefore the €47.99 should only be
working out at approximately £34.56 not £39.99.

This is a £5.43 they are making on the currency exchange or an almost
16% profit margin. What gives?

If I am so loyal why is Nero trying to deceive and rip off people who
live in the UK on the exchange rate?

One month ago the exchange rate was 1.4297520824 € to £1 and it was an
even greater rip off and a profit of about 20% that Nero were making
on the currency exchange and ripping off British consumers.

Would you not consider this as discriminatory, anti-competitive
behaviour by Nero? I mean it's not as if it is costing anymore to
provide a download to the UK than the rest of the EU or World is it???
This is clearly false and misleading advertising by Nero designed to
deceive and rip off British consumers wishing to buy and download
optical disc burning software for their computer systems.

Almost three years ago I purchased Nero 6 for $39.99 in US dollars,
which would have worked out at about £21.22 in UK Pounds with the
exchange rate at the time being 1.8844249613. It seems that since then
they have started charging more to British consumers for something
that is more bulky and unstable than what they were selling three and
more years ago.}

So, now I am considering just going with a completely different
product altogether and trying to remember as many of the details of my
project that I appear to have lost as possible and starting over.

As for the alternative product I would appreciate your advice on this.
I need something that I can use for burning CDs and DVDs and also to
make and edit my own home movies with.

Have looked at reviews for a few other products. Pinnacle Studio, one
of my friends from work first suggested this, however I have seen
quite a lot of people on the net saying to avoid it at all costs
because it is full of bugs and crashes frequently.

Is any Avid product worth looking at given that they kind of
integrated with Pinnacle didn't they? They seem to offer a few
different products.

In the past I've tried TMPGEnc DVD Author and DVD Lab. TDA didn't work
too well for me, and DVD Lab I just couldn't get used to that.

Would love Adobe Premium Pro, my sisters husband has that one
fantastic software, but unfortunately I don't have the cash for that
and couldn't justify spending that much.

There are also Ulead (Corel) products, Sony Vegas and Roxio as well to
consider. Then there is Nero 8. Is it worth it with all of its bulk
plus the premium for British consumers?

What do you recommend? Any advice appreciated.

Cheers

John

"John" <inGod@weTrust.com> wrote in message
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You read a tad petulantly.

I use Nero, it came free with a rom or burner I bought aeons ago
and has never refused to accept any other drive nor to update
itself when asked. But I only use it to occasionally burn DVDs,
either data or video. Why, in heaven's name, would I use
optical media burning software to do creative video work?

Could Nero be headed toward the Norton syndrome? Norton managed
to write a program, under DOS, which would spend several hours
reorganizing your HDD to save possibly seconds at power on. It
was instantly successful among the same crowd who bought hula
hoops and pet rocks. Norton became a multi-millionaire,
presumably laughing all the way to the bank, and then sold his
"name" to an even bigger scam artist;-)

I've heard or read that it was P.T.Barnum who said: There's a
sucker born every minute. I think he also said: nail two things
together that have never been nailed together before and some
sucker will buy it. Barnum was aware of suckers!

Not knowing why you wanted to use Nero, I'll mention that some
in this group (and other groups - though that may be the same
some) find TMPGEnc suites to be sweet!

Bill's News wrote:
If you buy the full Nero It has some basic Video editing and DVD menu
creating software. Also some audio cleanup software. I agree with your point
though if its Video editing then get Video editing software. I Still will
not load a project that has become corrupted or maybe had some files Deleted
that where part of it.

Almost any Video editor will be better Sony, Ulead,Pinnacle or if your
computer is new enough Premier elements But that will only work on computers
with the right configuration no AMD there then.



--
Trev
You can always tell a Yorkshire man,
But you can't tell him much.

"Trev" <trevbowdenAT.dsl.pipex.COM> wrote in message
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Most creative video software either depends on some third party optical
media burning software that is tucked under the covers, or that you run
yourself in a separate step.

Agreed.

It seems like being able to load a project that is a little munged would be
handy.

I have 3 out of four installed, and my daughter-in-law is a Pinnacle user.

My current most heavily used tool is Premiere Elements. I have releases 2
and 4.

Has to be a little modern. Some of this software is dependent on using CPUs
with microcode assists that did not become universal until the past 3 years
or so.

I don't know about that. I've seen all 4 run on AMD boxes. The 3 I run sure
run on AMD 64 boxes because that is all I have.

You mean Symantec?

What's going on with Nero is that they are trying to provide more related
function to hold onto their price point.

"John" <inGod@weTrust.com> wrote in message
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You seem to have already passed on some of the most used and best authoring
software out there.
TDA -or- DVD Lab




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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:56:14 -0500, "Colon Terminus"
<Colon_Terminus@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yeah. I tried TDA but couldn't get it to work well with my system. DVD
Lab, I've heard lots of good reviews about, but when I tried it I just
didn't like the interface, and I think there is a lot more to learn
with that software than with others.

So far it is looking like I should check Roxio, Ulead, Vegas or Adobe
Elements out next.

John

"John" <inGod@weTrust.com> wrote in message
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Why do you expect some other authoring program to
work when you "tried TDA but couldn't get it to work
well with my system" ? You are aware that there are a
very large number of people who have few problems
running TDA on their systems? You might consider
that the problem might be with your system, or how it
is setup?

Could you describe the problem(s) you noted with
TDA? ( I think I know the source of your problem
with DVDLab.)

Luck;
Ken

John <inGod@weTrust.com> wrote in news:24t8l3lp3sjp4eeqbf8gm535shoappemv9@
4ax.com:

I only use Nero Light (i.e. the version without all the useless crap for
idiots) for burning files to CD and DVD. it's bloatware.

To author DVDs on the quick and dirty, I really like TMPGEnc DVD. It has no
bells and whistles but you can still do some basic menus. It's very handy.
For more advanced authoring, I like DVDLab Pro.


jaybee

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:23:12 -0500, Wally <wally@(nft).invalid> wrote:

It's not lost, its on my computer, Nero just wont open it anymore.

Yes it did unfortunately Nero wont open it anymore.

Because its a Nero project file and for no apparent reason Nero will
no longer open this particular one up again. Looks like Nero has
corrupted it somehow. Who elses fault could it be?

I never bothered getting version 7 after everything I heard from
people who had. Not sure about version 8 yet still too early to tell.
I think Nero 6 has been their best version to date despite the
problems I've had. It has become a very bulky program though. I think
they should just concentrate on Nero Burning Rom and NeroVision and
try get rid of all the clutter and bulk.

John

John <dafi@duk.kom> wrote in news:nuaam35dkqmnhom1s3fo199mplnrq813kj@
4ax.com:

That's why I won't touch Nero with a ten-foot pole for anything else but
burning DVDs. In me experience, applications that try to do too many things
at the same time end up not doing any of them particularly well.


jaybee

John,

I use HP's DLA software (drag and drop with DVD-RW's) or RecordNow (with
DVD +- R's) for backups.

I use Ulead MovieFactory (99% of the time) or Showbiz for simple DVD
Videos, or DVD-Lab Pro for more complex things.

MovieFactory is great ,but just make sure your burning parameters are
the same as the video input files, so no transcoding is needed, or it
takes forever. I guess that applies to other packages as well.

I use some other tools like TMPGenc, VirtualDub, Movica, Internet Video
Converter, etc, too.

I use straight FFMpeg when I want to get down and dirty.

These are just my opinions... No other warranties are expressed or
implied. ;-)

Cheerio,

Keith

John wrote: