Does anyone know how to discover the ip of a msn user which you are
having a conversation with?

I know that it is easy to get the ip if you manage to make the person
send you or accept a file.

Ask them, ,,,!!!!!!!!!1,,,,,,,,,I think that people are entitled to there
privacy.
If its a conversation you dont want then log off..


..Jonny

"Roaming Penguin" said in
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MSN uses Hotmail. Hotmail is NOT an anonymous webmail service. Look at the
headers. You will find an "X-Originating-IP:" header which has the IP
address of the host that connected to it that requested the e-mail get sent
from Hotmail. I believe Yahoo might also insert this header. I remember a
self-professed anonymous webmail service but then found it added a header
with the sender host's IP address in the headers (plus if you read the terms
of service then you actually agreed to get spammed by this a-hole bogus
anonymous webmail service).

Simply check the headers to see what the sender inserted and what the
sending mail server inserted.


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I knew that much. I was asking because once someone was harrassing me
via MSN, and I couldn't stop the spamming. Sending me constant
messages, I wanted the IP address blocked from my LAN, but could not
find how to obtain it.

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:32:57 -0600, "*Vanguard*" <no-email@bogus.nix>
wrote:

"Roaming Penguin" said in
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If you block by IP address then you would end up having to block Hotmail's
mail server from connecting to you. However, that would eliminate all
e-mails from Hotmail.

If you just want to block this one sender then use a rule that checks for
"X-Originating-IP: xx.xx.xx.xx" somewhere in the headers and [permanently]
delete that message. Instead of waiting until you run your e-mail client to
run its rule (after, however, downloading the e-mail), you could use Magic
Mail Monitor which is an e-mail monitor utility but includes rules (or
filters). You could define a filter that searches for "X-Originating-IP:
xx.xx.xx.xx" in the headers, and then configure that filter to delete the
message from the mail server. The monitor only downloads the headers to
check for new e-mails. The filter would delete any e-mails from the abusive
sender at that IP address. You would never get notified in the monitor
utility that the e-mail even arrived (although you can check the
deletemessage.log). And you don't have to waste the time and bandwidth to
download that abusive e-mail into your e-mail client.


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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 02:19:02 -0600, "*Vanguard*" <no-email@bogus.nix>
wrote:

Correct. This works for Yahoo Mail too. Instead of Hotmail's
X-Originating-IP, I found my IP in this line of an expanded header for
Yahoo Mail:

"Received: from [00.00.00.00] by:


Beachcomber

But the question was more or less, how can you get their address
without actually emailing, if you are just chatting over MSN, or
having a direct MSN 6.1 conversation with someone, and you would like
to obtain their ip address.

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:11:39 GMT, notreal@nospam.xyz (Beachcomber)
wrote:

I've never used MSN, but perhaps a 'netstat' would show the target IP
Address. If not, then perhaps a packet sniffer like winpcap.



"Roaming Penguin" <roaming_penguin@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:18:33 -0500, in newsfroup alt.computer.security,
Roaming Penguin <roaming_penguin@sympatico.ca> articulated the following
sentiments :

I think you've answered your own question. In ICQ for example, initiating a
file transfer with someone will switch you over from connecting to them via
the ICQ servers, to their machine directly.

As someone said in this thread already, you could use a sniffer, but I think
the only ways would be during file transfers, with the aid of netstat, or
TCPView (http://www.sysinternals.com), or again as has already been
mentioned, via the headers in an email if they use that method.

You can block people from seeing you and contacting you online can't you ?
Unless they have some 'toolz' to bypass this, they shouldn't be able to
reach you.

What do you want the IP address for ? Reporting abuse ? If you're planning a
revenge attack on their computer, I would advise you not to do this as you
could end up being the one in trouble.

Regs,

Pete.

In MS IM you can block the user from sending you IM's.

Just highligh the user in your list, press delete and you will be asked "Do
you want to BLOCK this user. tick the box and there you have it. No more
IM's from that user.

If you have delete the user previously, without blocking. Go to options,
then click privicy and re-block the user.

It's that simple.

KS


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"StacyB" said in news:401eb9f2$0$15626$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net:
I doubt that would work. The Messenger clients (MSN, Yahoo, AOL) are going
to connect to their parent server (obviously MSN Messenger connects just to
Microsoft's servers). The other MSN Messenger user does the same. It's not
like a MSN Messenger user is broadcasting their message all over the
Internet hoping to find the intended recipient. The communications go
through the manager server which, in this case, would be a Microsoft server.
All you'll see is your MSN Messenger connecting to a Microsoft host. That
won't tell you the other party that is also connecting to the Microsoft host
used to transfer the communications.

It's been way too long since I bothered using MSN/AOL/Yahoo Messenger. I
don't have the need for instant gratification to prattle and prefer others
expend some mental energy in composing a better written e-mail (but some
folks still write like they speak and haven't a clue that writing and
speaking are two different communicative arts). As I recall, all you tell
about the other party was their handle or moniker; i.e., the username they
specified for their account. Since all usernames have to be unique, I would
think it easy to filter out (i.e., block) any communications from a
particular member, but then that would require that MSN Messenger provides a
blacklist where you could list those users that you want to block.

The instructions at http://messenger.msn.com/Help/#LQ19 seem to indicate
that you cannot block another user until they establish a conversation
during which you can select to block them. That's stupid. That means you
have to wait around until the joker connects before you can block them.
Supposedly the blocking will add the member name to a list so maybe you can
find a config screen showing the list so you can edit it to put in a
member's name before they next try to connect to you. I doubt that blocking
a particular member also eliminates them from getting status about you going
online with MSN Messenger. Unless you need to tell everyone you know - and
anyone else that has added you to their contact list - when you go online
with MSN Messenger, I'd disable that "feature."


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Roaming Penguin wrote:
If you're being harassed through MSN Messenger you can use a packet
sniffer on the client computer sniffing port 1863. Theres a lot of stuff
to go through but you'll find the ip address of the "enemy" in there.

See http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/index.php for more info on what
you're seeing.

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Gladys Pump wrote:
Yep. Use netstat whilst you are transfering a file.

I said you could use a sniffer. And I have done, all without a
file-transfer. Everytime a conversation is initiated their username and
IP is sent to your MSN Messenger client. See other post for more details.

I second that. Revenge has its consequences too. Especially with the
technophobic attitudes "modern" governments display.

In the USA you can be classed a terrorist for misuse of computer
systems, and that can mean indefinite holding without trial.


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I think the original poster wants to find out the IP of the other person to
do some "stuff" as he/she would have led us to believe. I don't think that
OP is as green as he/she makes the post out to be... of course he/she knows
about the block user feature.

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