Like the rest of us out here, I spend some time as an IT tech when I
feel generous or money is tight. Lately, I've been teching for my
mother in law, and somebody in her office is messing with her CPUs,
uninstalling programs, deleting system files. I hate installing the
same software over and over again. This has made a 6 hour reinstall
into a 3 week ordeal where I have to redo the computer on a daily/
every other day basis. I have my suspicions, but I need to prove it.
So, I want a keylogger that I don't have to fork over my green for.
The more it monitors in this case, the better. Generally, I'm anti-
monitoring in the workplace, but, I can't think of a better way to
catch Ms. subversive secretary. Thoughts and ideas appreciated.

The Nerdy Duo wrote:


I also have my suspicions, and the evidence is blatantly obvious: You're
giving someone administrative rights who shouldn't have any. How else could
it be that system files are getting deleted?

Huh? How should a keylogger provide evidence that you're an incompetent
administrator? (Other than by the fact that you even draw such conclusions...)

Monitoring without sufficient reason (read: suspicion of criminal activity)
is strictly illegal.

On 2007-06-05, The Nerdy Duo <TheNerdyDuo@gmail.com> wrotey all complicatey:
What have they done ? Attacked the CPUs with a soldering iron ? Put oily
fingerprints all over them ? Do you even know what a CPU is, Mr. 'IT' ?


It's called 'Microsoft'. Get used to it.

See above.

No forking green necessary. Slip the secretary one and realise that it's
probably your clueless mother-in-law thinking she has to re-install Windows
every time she wants to use it. Which is not too far from the truth.

Regards,

BH.

Well, I don't know if this will help you, but if I were you I would try
to find keylogger, that I need here: 'Keylogger.org - Independent
testing, rating and review of monitoring software'
(http://www.keylogger.org), as this is the most informative site about
keyloggers that I know.... I suppose its comparison table will help you


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On Jun 5, 5:42 pm, "Sebastian G." <s...@seppig.de> wrote:
I did use the wrong word. I wanted something that would do screen
captures and log the times of deletions.

As far as the legality goes: In what country? If monitoring in the
workplace were illegal here, then it wouldn't be done on such a
widespread basis.

The secretary only has a user account, but the answer to what is
really wrong is this: Mom in law decided to share her entire c drive.
Thanks mom.

I am indeed an incompetant administrator in the work place. Why?
Because I do it for free, and don't give it anywhere near my full
attention, so that somebody who does do this to support themselves
looks better than what I do, and might look worth the money. So, when
you're collecting a paycheck for IT, you be glad that the people who
do it for free suck at it. Or else no one would want to pay you for
your smarmy attitude. .

The Nerdy Duo wrote:



This is monitoring.


This is normal C2 auditing. Why don't you use the auditing facilities that
Windows provides?


Monitoring *generally* is illegal. You may automatically capture and process
data to a reasonable extend, but anything that goes too far (read: violates
the privacy of the employees) is strictly illegal. I'd say in US much more
than in GER.


Maybe I should point it out clearer:
*YOU* are the one who did something wrong. *You* gave the administrative
rights so that they could delete system files, share the entire drive with
write access, and generally fuck up the system. Without *you* giving them
admin rights, none of these problems could have ever occured.

So instead of trying to diagnose the symptoms, damn fix and secure the
system such that such things can't happen any more.

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in article
<1181057770.564566.111100@k79g2000hse.googlegroups .com>, The Nerdy Duo wrote:

"messing with her CPUs" means what exactly? As for deleting system
files, shoot the 1d10t who has given "adistrator" rights to everyone
because they don't know how to install the software correctly such that
elevated privilege is not needed. Then get someone who has some knowledge
of operating systems to set the computer correctly.

Make sure that the "data" and operating system/applications are on
separate drives (D: for data, C: for crap), and then do an image backup
of the Crap: drive so that a restore takes just minutes. You'll need to
create a new image every time there is a new security update, but I
suspect security updates are being ignored as well.

I guess you're that clueless admin - and don't recognize that when you
gave everyone admin rights, they can easily discover and either disable
or remove your pathetic attempt at installing a keylogger. Go spend some
money and get a person with IT skills to set the computer up correctly.
Installing software really does take more than inserting the CD and
clicking "OK" to every message that pops up.

Has the company published WRITTEN policy statements regarding use and
mis-use of the computer? If not, you d4mn well better consult the
company legal advisors before you try this stunt. Your posting address
says New York, and there are both state and federal laws that apply.

Old guy

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:19:11 GMT, Benson Hedges <bh@example.invalid>
wrote:

Gee Ward, you were a little hard on The Beaver yesterday, weren't you?

The Nerdy Duo wrote:
can't you just delete the uninstall package or "unwise.exe" or whatever?

The Nerdy Duo <TheNerdyDuo@gmail.com> (07-06-06 13:27:12):

And as you see, incompetent or wrong administration always leads to
problems, whether you're getting paid or not. Do it properly and save
yourself a lot of time.


Regards,
Ertugrul Söylemez.


--
Security is the one concept, which makes things in your life stay as
they are. Otto is a man, who is afraid of changes in his life; so
naturally he does not employ security.

"The Nerdy Duo" <TheNerdyDuo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181136432.677255.43730@w5g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com...
it's asset. It does need to have a published policy that lets people know
that monitoring can take place. If you own the computer, you can run any
legal software on it that you want. You don't have to publish a policy.
Someone gets in to your box, and you monitor their use you are not violating
any law anywhere. It would be like telling someone that they cant use
Lojack to locate their vehicle when an unauthorized person has stolen it.

"Richard Johnson" <richj@remove.this.tairedd.com> wrote in
news:f4a1nr19qi@news2.newsguy.com:



It's not that you are utterly wrong, it's that you are so provincial!

Whether monotoring is legal or not, and under what conditions, is dependent
on the JURISDICTION! The US is not the whole world. Not yet, anyway.

Regards,