Hey, can anyone aside from me give their experiences with
the free version of Sygate Firewall?

So far, I like it. Much easier to use for a non-"hacker"
than Kerio (which is an excellent product). It works, too.
They both build rules with you, which I really like. I find
Sygate easier to understand, configure, and it handles
really well. The integrated backtrace and whois functions
work seamlessly, too. This is a major advantage because it
really helps to know who was knocking at your door. Just
today, I found that it was my very own (wonderful) ISP, so I
quickly set up a rule to pass that traffic. Marvelous.

I think that I'd pay these guys for their product if their
phone support policy wasn't so outrageous.

Richard

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:40:15 GMT, "Richard Steinfeld"
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote:

I gave sygate a 6 month try and except for one annoying thing, i
really liked it. I will go back if and when this one issue is
resolved. The problem i ran into was that it sometimes took as much as
30 seconds once logged into windows to receive an IP from my cable/dsl
router. There was a definite delay before networking was fully
enabled.

I switched back to Kerio 2.1.5 (which i have been using for a long
time) and the problem went away. On the next release of SPF I will
give it another shot.

What's an "IP?"
I'm not using networking and I haven't experienced this
delay, I think.

Richard

"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote in
news:wyKQb.10674$XF6.215155@typhoon.sonic.net:

*sigh*

You're advocating one firewall over another in here and you don't even know
what an IP is.

Go back to kindergarten.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:49:48 GMT, "Richard Steinfeld"
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote:

IP as in IP address from my DHCP Server. If you are not using
networking why do you want a personal firewall?

"donutbandit" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:bv12h2$jn4$1@news.snowcrest.net...
*sigh*
Dear donut,
I asked for an explanation, not a put-down.
I am well-versed in software usability and have worked in
that capacity.
Sygate's usability is very well crafted. If I advocated
anything, that's where they hit the bullseye. Can you do as
well?

You have demonstrated your superiority, thank you.
Unfortunately, in proving your status, you did not answer
the question. One may be able to evaluate performace through
experience without being in on all the lingo, especially the
jargon. For example, I probably know the functions of which
you speak and which I ask, perhaps under other names,
perhaps their proper designations. Usability expertise is
something that most programmers are sorely lacking.

Perhaps, sir donut, you might benefit from spending some
time in charm school.

Richard

Richard Steinfeld wrote:
Hear, hear.

Just because Richard might not know what an IP address is doesn't mean
he can't ask "can anyone aside from me give their experiences with
the free version of Sygate Firewall?" and give his opinion on how he has
found it so far.

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"> Hey, can anyone aside from me give their experiences with
I love the SPF product but it has a very big hole.
If you use a proxy ( like Proxomitron ) and whatever programm uses that
proxygate SPF won't log it.
The programms using your proxy just jumps in and out in your SPF running
application screen and SPF also didn't append that programm to the
application list. Because of this lack of logging it's possible for every
virus/programm/trojan to have unseen access to the internet.
Every programm using your proxy is save according to SPF. No Sygate!!, every
programm that want access to the internet has to be granted. Sygate knows
this problem for over a year but it hasn't there attention.
I don't know if this SPF proxy problem is a Sygate problem or a universal
firewall problem.
Another problem I have encountered is the blocking possibilities of SPF.
Even if I had blocked a programm it seems to communicate with the internet.
If I want to block a programm, let's say svshost.exe, it has to be
possible. It's up to me if I block a programm to see the effects and not to
SPF to bypass the blocked programm.
Or is it : It isn't a bug but a feature. Well, if it is a feature I don't
like it.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:40:15 GMT, "Richard Steinfeld"
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote:

I tried Sygate recently, and was very impressed initially - and then I
found a very curious thing happening.
My machines would slow to a crawl suddenly - the display became very
sluggish and eventually just froze.
As Sygate was the only new program I'd installed in some time it was
naturally a suspect.

It wasn't specific to one machine either, I'd installed it on two
machines, and found the same problem ( this after some three months of
using it ).

I did all the usual stuff - checked display drivers, deactivated
update checking etc... but the problem persisted.

In the end I removed it and reinstalled ZoneAlarm - which was always
ok apart from the lack of tweakability.

Tried Outpost too - which was also very good, but it had a habit of
slowing down during navigation of the web. Never found a fix or a
workaround.
The integrated filtering is handy too, though somewhat redundant if
you're using something like Proxomitron.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Stephen Howard <seesigfor@email.uk> wrote in message news:<97t910hf44aef7h931ef5a6l5orfnptgn3@4ax.com>. ..
tell me what is sygate Firewall?

"Jim Watt" <jimwatt@aol.no_way> wrote in message
news:k8k910dlbjrjbac49tikic2anrgn7htvv1@4ax.com...
Ahem:
Arrogance, Mr. Watt?

Richard

So, I've stirred up a bit of self-righteousness among the
cogniscenti. However, nobody has replied with the actual
definition of "IP." For example, what do the initials stand
for?

Please, will someone answer me in English?

Richard


"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote
in message news:wyKQb.10674$XF6.215155@typhoon.sonic.net...

Mr. Watt:
Would you please condescend to explain to the poster what
you mean by items #2 and #3. He may not know what you mean.
Otherwise, he might think that you are arrogant.
You don't want to give people the impression that you are
condescending and arrogant, now do you?

Richard

I should add a little background to my earlier posts
regarding Sygate.
I've actually been using a version for over a year. That was
a slightly-crippled version that was included in the utility
set, _System Suite._ The performance, although
straightjacketed, was good, in my experience.

I've found the free version from Sygate themselves to be
somewhat liberating in that it is more customizable. One
unusual thing about it is that with my current
implementation of Sygate running, my hard disk "blips"
frequently when I'm on the web. No traffic is reported by
Sygate to accompany those HD events. However, I found that
with my earlier implementation of Sygate, the system would
slug down when the firewall traffic log would get large.
Deleting that log would speed things up until it was big
again. In this case, the same thing improves these disk
accesses. I don't find any malicious activity from this disk
action and I don't think that Sygate is spying on me.

It is possible that I installed it without killing every
running process on my machine, and since the Sygate FAQ list
mentions something along these lines, I'll re-install it
with stricter cleanliness in the background and see if the
disk "blips" are gone.

Richard

Richard


"Stephen Howard" <seesigfor@email.uk> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:34:24 GMT, "Richard Steinfeld"
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote:

Defined by various international standards authorities as a method of
identifying all the various devices attached to the Internet.
Usually found with the beast TCP = Transfer Control Protocol
Generally, IP is used as a short hand for the string of numbers
(0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255) used to identify addresses on the Internet
as per the defined standard.

"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4woRb.11028$XF6.221027@typhoon.sonic.net...
"Internet Protocol"

--

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Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!

Richard Steinfeld wrote:
From Microsoft Computer Dictionary:

*IP* n. Acronym for Internet Protocol. The protocol within TCP/IP that
governs the breakup of data messages into packets, the routing of the
packets from sender to destination network and station, and the reassembly
of the packets into the original data messages at the destination. IP runs
at the internetwork layer in the TCP/IP model-equivalent to the network
layer in the ISO/OSI reference model. See also ISO/OSI reference model,
TCP/IP. Compare TCP.

*IP address* n. Short for Internet Protocol address. A 32-bit (4-byte)
binary number that uniquely identifies a host (computer) connected to the
Internet to other Internet hosts, for the purposes of communication through
the transfer of packets. An IP address is expressed in "dotted quad" format,
consisting of the decimal values of its 4 bytes, separated with periods; for
example, 127.0.0.1. The first 1, 2, or 3 bytes of the IP address identify
the network the host is connected to; the remaining bits identify the host
itself. The 32 bits of all 4 bytes together can signify almost 232, or
roughly 4 billion, hosts. (A few small ranges within that set of numbers are
not used.) Also called: Internet Protocol number, IP number. See also host,
IANA, ICANN, InterNIC, IP, IP address classes, packet (definition 2).
Compare domain name.

*IP address classes* n. Short for Internet Protocol address classes. The
classes into which IP addresses were divided to accommodate different
network sizes. Each class is associated with a range of possible IP
addresses and is limited to a specific number of networks per class and
hosts per network. See the table. See also Class A IP address, Class B IP
address, Class C IP address, IP address.
Address Class Range of IP Addresses Networks per Class Hosts per Network
(maximum number)
Class A (/8) 1.x.x.x to 126.x.x.x 126 16,777,214
Class B (/16) 128.0.x.x to 191.255.x.x 16,384 65,534
Class C (/24) 192.0.0.x to 223.255.255.x 2,097,152 254

IP address classes. Each x represents the host-number field assigned by the
network administrator.



--
S.S.

Thank you, thank you!
So that's what those addresses I've been using all these
years are called!
I have a hard time remembering acronyms that I don't use
every day. There are just so many of them.

Richard

"StarScripter" <Star@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bv5p6p$ohpd8$1@ID-185702.news.uni-berlin.de...

Richard Steinfeld wrote:
First off the reference to IP should really have read IP Address, an
explanation of which you have received.
Regarding the 'bibs' on your hard drive, would you by any chance have the
auto update feature enabled?
FYI I have not found any of the personal firewalls that I have tried that
log their own activity - you will not see any traffic in the logs that shows
the auto update working - unless they have changed lately.
BTW those I have tried include Tiny/Kerio, ZA, Sygate, and Outpost. I
currently use Outpost.
Seán

ClareOldie wrote:
| Richard Steinfeld wrote:
||| I gave sygate a 6 month try and except for one annoying
||| thing, i really liked it. I will go back if and when this
||| one issue is resolved. The problem i ran into was that it
||| sometimes took as much as 30 seconds once logged into
||| windows to receive an IP from my cable/dsl router. There was
||| a definite delay before networking was fully enabled.
|||
||
|| What's an "IP?"
|| I'm not using networking and I haven't experienced this
|| delay, I think.
||
|| Richard
|
| First off the reference to IP should really have read IP
| Address, an explanation of which you have received.
| Regarding the 'bibs' on your hard drive, would you by any
| chance have the auto update feature enabled?
| FYI I have not found any of the personal firewalls that I have
| tried that log their own activity - you will not see any
| traffic in the logs that shows the auto update working -
| unless they have changed lately.
| BTW those I have tried include Tiny/Kerio, ZA, Sygate, and
| Outpost. I currently use Outpost.
| Seán

Thank you Seán.
Finally, someone who will speak English!
So, I've been dealing with some folks who are too lazy to use the
full term, which I've known for ages. Is that it? And then they
yell at me for not being as techno-adept as themselves. Hah!

I never allow any software to update itself automatically. When
Sygate is running and I'm connected to the Web (I mean a with the
browser open on DSL), I often get almost rhythmic hard drive
"blips." The drive is operating for a fraction of a second. I can
find no sign of internet activity nor, if I recall, any file
action at those times.

There was something vaguely related on the Sygate support page
mentioning something about needing a very clean install, so I may
try a fresh installation with every non-essential in residence
killed.

I like Sygate's interface very much. The human engineering
(usability) is unusually good for a security product.

Would you be so kind as to describe for me the differences you
find between Sygate and Outpost.

Thanks.

Richard