Hello.

I just wondered how many people in the group are using Firefox as
their primary browser? And how many people have tried it?

I was just after a general opinion as to how it stacks up against IE6.

Also, has anyone tried the Mozilla email client? Thunderbird I think
its called? How does that compare to Outlook?

I am probably going to try Firefox on the family PC because I get a
lot of spyware through that. My system doesn't have any issues though
so I will probably stick with IE6.

John

I've been using Firefox since it has been out. I found it in some ways
better than IE, but it is not as sophisticated. I look at it as a simplified
browser. You still have to download and install all the plugins, if you want
the extra functions.

I like how the built in search function works, compared to IE. I found its
Bookmark management to not be as easy to use as the one in IE. This may also
be a matter of opinion.

As for the safety of it, it may have its problems. But, it is supposed to be
safer than IE. I know of a few people that have had it hijacked already.
But, I am not aware of the exact implication that happened, so I cannot
elaborate on this.

In my opinion, I like it for its simplicity and ease of use. It is an
excellent alternative to IE.

If you are in to exploring questionable sites, Firefox would be a lot safer
than IE, from what I can see. You can go in to its set-up and turn off the
scripting, and Java if you are unsecured about it. You can then turn them
back on when you are secure to do so.

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In looking at your email address, you are in to Bugs Bunny? He's one
interesting character!

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JANA
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"John" <buggs.bunny@looneytunes.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:44:59 -0500, A strange species called "JANA"
<jana@ca.inter.net> wrote:

Yes, I like the drop downs on the left where you can see the bookmarks
and history etc in explorer.

I have only installed it earlier today and so far it seems decent.

That's just a spam trap.. may as well have an interesting one though
like Buggs Bunny or Donald Duck

So JANA where are you from? Canada? Germany? Your English is very
good.

John

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:29:00 +0000, John wrote:

I've been using Firefox for Linux and my WindowsXP system since it became
available. I don't get my mail through Windows, but both my brothers use
Thunderbird routinely on their WinXP systems and seem to like it.
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Registered Linux User #267152

JANA <jana@ca.inter.net> wrote:
BWAGAGAGAGAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *WHEEZE* *WHEEZE* LMFARO London to a bucket of
your smashed brains says you can't tell anyone why FF is safer than IE.

JANA <jana@ca.inter.net> wrote:
BWAGAGAGAGAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *WHEEZE* *WHEEZE* LMFARO London to a bucket of
your smashed brains says you can't tell anyone why FF is safer than IE.

Wizard wrote:
Gatlikker

--
Parko
And you do like smegma, don't you.

Thunderbird is an excellent emailer.

I do have a question here: Is it possible to have the Mozella HTML writer,
which I think it is called Composer, without installing the complete
package? This would be for Windows.

I realize you are a Linux user. I also have some questions about Linux, but
for next time...

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JANA
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"JTJersey" <JT3@anotherlinuxmachine.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:25:48 -0500, JANA wrote:

Sorry, don't know. About all I use Windows for is some games and Print
Shop. I mostly keep it around so that the family will stay off my main
system.
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Registered Linux User #267152

Why don't you get an alias email address, and have it forwarded, or get a
public email address? An alias address can be changed in an instant.

--

I am located in Northern Canada, where it is very cold. Outside it is now
about -12, and it is spring time. Just about 6 days ago, we received a good
whack of snow.

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My English should be good. I have a fair number of years of English grammar
and composition studies behind me. A number of years back, I was writing
technical instructions for specialized electronic equipment. I also have a
strong education in electrical engineering, and physics. I am working very
heavily in some types of technology support. I am on call 24/7. Some of my
work is for IT engineering.

I am not very young. I go back to when the first computers were around. I
first worked on computers back in the mid 60's. I would not remember in
depth details of these machines. The backups and operations were done on
large two inch reel to reel tapes. The read/write heads were on a helical
assembly with four heads. These worked on air-bearings.

The programming was done in Fortran and assembly language using punch cards.
IBM and Honeywell were the main companies involved in these machines.

When I started, if a computer had more than 32 k of RAM, it was a huge
machine. These computers took up many racks of equipment, and filled a large
building. They were slow to program and set-up. But, for large scale jobs,
they did save a lot of time.

Early Honeywell Computers:
http://starfish.osfn.org/~mikeu/h316/history.shtml

Early IBM Computers:
http://www.computerhope.com/history/194060.htm


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JANA
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"John" <buggs.bunny@looneytunes.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:44:59 -0500, A strange species called "JANA"
<jana@ca.inter.net> wrote:

Yes, I like the drop downs on the left where you can see the bookmarks
and history etc in explorer.

I have only installed it earlier today and so far it seems decent.

That's just a spam trap.. may as well have an interesting one though
like Buggs Bunny or Donald Duck

So JANA where are you from? Canada? Germany? Your English is very
good.

John

Here is my loaded question:

I would be curios to know where I can find a copy of the shell command set
for Linux, with the translation to know what they mean, in relation to the
equivalent to the ones used in DOS. This would be something like a list of
commands, with their functions, and their equivalents to the ones used in
DOS. I would also like to see some examples of how they are applied.

I have been told that the GUI for Linux is about the same as Windows, and it
is very easy for a Windows experienced person to adapt to it.

The reason why, is that I am thinking about getting another computer, and
loading it up with Linux. I will want to be able to command it at all
levels, as like I do with the Windows computers. This will take a lot of
time, but I want to eventually do this. I will be networking the Linux
computer to my main network, along with the rest of the computers.

What flavour or release of Linux are you using?
What programs are you using for your office (business) package?
Have you tried Open Office?

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JANA
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"JTJersey" <JT3@anotherlinuxmachine.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:25:48 -0500, JANA wrote:

Sorry, don't know. About all I use Windows for is some games and Print
Shop. I mostly keep it around so that the family will stay off my main
system.
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Registered Linux User #267152

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:11:59 -0500, JANA wrote:

There are hundreds of web sites, books and articles that will give you
every command you could ever want, but I'm not sure what it is your
interested in doing. If your a Sys Admin for an office complex you
wouldn't be asking these questions, if your just setting up a home/office
network you really don't need much in the way of commands. If you want to
dive in and rewrite the kernel you'll need more then just a list of shell
commands anyway.

I've never had any trouble networking linux systems. Mostly it's been a
matter of plugging them into a router and hitting the On button. Even
print jobs to a central printer were preconfigured.

I'm currently using Mandrake 10.0 Powerpack Edition. It comes with Open
Office 1.1, which I use for my main office applications. I also use Open
Office with my WinXP system, by the way. You can get Mandrake 10.0 and
the most current version 10.1, which also includes OpenOffice, from
MandrakeSoft at http://tinyurl.com/4vrur for about $85.00, or you can get
it from Linux Central at http://tinyurl.com/5hp9v for about $15.00. They
also give you KWord and AbiWord and half-dozen smaller text editors, ala
Windows Notepad. Files can be saved as text (.txt) files and read in any
Windows machine.

That being said I like my Linux system because it's more interesting to
me, easier to set up in a lot of ways, I can install it on all my
computers for no extra charge, it's not as prone to getting whacked with a
virus or trojan and I don't have to call Bill Gates every time I swap out
a motherboard, however Windows is still ahead of any Linux distribution in
a lot of features. The "average" user who plays computer games in Windows
will be very dissapointed with Linux, you can't find a decent greeting
card program like Print Shop Deluxe, streaming video like .asx formats
won't work without programming skills, mounting some USB devices requires
the command line and root access, hardware support is more limited
especially when it comes to sound cards and graphics adapters. The next
version of Mandrake is supposed to address these issues and should be
released in a few months. We'll see.
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Registered Linux User #267152

JANA wrote:
I came across an excellent summary recently:

http://www.freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html

Although it for UNIX, the command structure is similar.

Here's a good review of a bunch of Linux distros:

http://www.itpeer.dyndns.org/tell_me...bout_linux.htm

Be careful: "Linux makes you stupid." Some of the more obnoxious
posters seem to have managed without the help of Linux. Perhaps they had
a head start. ;-)

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VWW

"John" <buggs.bunny@looneytunes.com> wrote in message
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I have been thinking about downloading Firefox after reading about it in
the March Popular Mechanics (p. 25). But I don't know what would happen if I
tried to install it. Internet Explorer doesn't have an uninstall command on
Add/Remove Programs. I'm afraid it would mess up my computer BAD!. And I
don't know if Firefox would work except with Thunderbird.

Pupular Mechanics also has some info on anti-spyware tools (pp.123-124).
THEY claim that the best anti-spyware program is a free download from:

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware

but I don't use it, and so have no opinion about it.

I installed Firefox alongside of IE, exported Favorites and Cookies into FF.
Both IE and FF work just fine. No problems. I use OE, not Thunderbird, with
no problem. I have heard the same from others. Hope you have the same
experience.

Wayne R. Russ


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I was hoping for some feedback. Thanks very much.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:07:32 -0600, A strange species called "echo"
<echo@otk.cab> wrote:

I installed it on the Win 98 computer I was having trouble with
spyware and search bars automatically installing themselves. It is
working great on that system and IE is not used at all on that one
now, but is still installed.

On this system I'm using now, Win XP, I also installed Firefox and
have used it once or twice. I am still mainly using IE though because
I don't have any issues on this system.

If I wanted to use both programs I would have to keep importing the
bookmarks from one application to the other as new ones are added,
which would be time consuming and messy. I think it is best to just
use one or the other and have all your bookmarks in one of them.

Firefox is a great browser and a serious threat to IE though. I
believe the design is similar to the old Netscape browsers except
modern and customisable with many different skins.

John