WinXP Pro SP/1 all latest updates on both machines.

I am trying to connect two PCs via a network. I have used the Network Setup
Wizard on both machines and included both in the same Workgroup.

The LAN, provided by the independent cable TV company, is in our community
and connects every home.

I can ping either machine without problem.

I have enabled Simple File Sharing and disabled the ICF on both machines.

When I go to My Network Places on either machine all I see is the locally
shared folders.

When I go to "View workgroup computers" all I see is the local machine.

From the My Network Places window if I go to Tools > Map Network Drive >
Browse. I see other Workgroups under Microsoft Windows Network, including
mine, but only the local machine is listed under my Workgroup. I get the
same result on either machine.

Can someone point me to the error of my ways? I hope my explanation is
clear.

Thanks....

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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:54:15 -0500, in
<10452d4bqvnjub3@news.supernews.com>
Bishoop scrawled:

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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:54:15 -0500, "Bishoop" <none@none.net> wrote:

Just curious -- I'm not familiar with these community networks and
could quite possibly be asking a dumb question -- if you're connected
to every computer in your community, how do you know the IP address
you're pinging is the other computer, and not some computer in a house
two blocks away?

ANYhow, presuming we can treat your home LAN just on it's own... Can
you ping by machine name, IP address, or both?

So far so good.

Cheers,
dan

Bishoop wrote:

They might be blocking one of the microsoft networking ports to protect
their customers. What you want to do is install ftp on both computers
and use that instead.

Guild ftpd is free:

http://download.com.com/3000-2165-10...ml?tag=lst-0-1


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Thanks for the links. Haven't found anything yet that helps.


"°Mike°" <ZHNTPDWBLECA@fcnzzbgry.pbz> wrote in message
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| Step-by-Step - Networking for Dummies
| http://www.wown.info/j_helmig/guide.htm
|
| http://www.wown.com/
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
|
|
| On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:54:15 -0500, in
| <10452d4bqvnjub3@news.supernews.com>
| Bishoop scrawled:
|
| >WinXP Pro SP/1 all latest updates on both machines.
| >
| >I am trying to connect two PCs via a network. I have used the Network
Setup
| >Wizard on both machines and included both in the same Workgroup.
| >
| >The LAN, provided by the independent cable TV company, is in our
community
| >and connects every home.
| >
| >I can ping either machine without problem.
| >
| >I have enabled Simple File Sharing and disabled the ICF on both machines.
| >
| >When I go to My Network Places on either machine all I see is the locally
| >shared folders.
| >
| >When I go to "View workgroup computers" all I see is the local machine.
| >
| >From the My Network Places window if I go to Tools > Map Network Drive >
| >Browse. I see other Workgroups under Microsoft Windows Network,
including
| >mine, but only the local machine is listed under my Workgroup. I get the
| >same result on either machine.
| >
| >Can someone point me to the error of my ways? I hope my explanation is
| >clear.
| >
| >Thanks....
| >
|
| --
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| http://uk.geocities.com/personel44/maintenance.html

"Dan Shea" <danshea@see.my.sig> wrote in message
news:d9954090e418uuv6m4vd4l59l9ja43vgjj@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:54:15 -0500, "Bishoop" <none@none.net> wrote:
|
| >WinXP Pro SP/1 all latest updates on both machines.
| >
| >I am trying to connect two PCs via a network. I have used the Network
Setup
| >Wizard on both machines and included both in the same Workgroup.
| >
| >The LAN, provided by the independent cable TV company, is in our
community
| >and connects every home.
| >
| >I can ping either machine without problem.
|
| Just curious -- I'm not familiar with these community networks and
| could quite possibly be asking a dumb question -- if you're connected
| to every computer in your community, how do you know the IP address
| you're pinging is the other computer, and not some computer in a house
| two blocks away?
|
| ANYhow, presuming we can treat your home LAN just on it's own... Can
| you ping by machine name, IP address, or both?
|
| >I have enabled Simple File Sharing and disabled the ICF on both machines.
| >
| >When I go to My Network Places on either machine all I see is the locally
| >shared folders.
| >
| >When I go to "View workgroup computers" all I see is the local machine.
| >
| >From the My Network Places window if I go to Tools > Map Network Drive >
| >Browse. I see other Workgroups under Microsoft Windows Network,
including
| >mine, but only the local machine is listed under my Workgroup. I get the
| >same result on either machine.
| >
| >Can someone point me to the error of my ways? I hope my explanation is
| >clear.
|
| So far so good.
|
| Cheers,
| dan


A simple ipconfig tells you your assigned ip address.

I can ping successfully by either ip address or name.

"Mike245" <user245athotmail.com@ignorethis.com> wrote in message
news:35y0c.90371$4o.114261@attbi_s52...
| Bishoop wrote:
|
| > WinXP Pro SP/1 all latest updates on both machines.
| >
| > I am trying to connect two PCs via a network. I have used the Network
Setup
| > Wizard on both machines and included both in the same Workgroup.
| >
| > The LAN, provided by the independent cable TV company, is in our
community
| > and connects every home.
| >
|
| They might be blocking one of the microsoft networking ports to protect
| their customers. What you want to do is install ftp on both computers
| and use that instead.
|
| Guild ftpd is free:
|
| http://download.com.com/3000-2165-10...ml?tag=lst-0-1
|
|
| --
| Mike
| Block Banner Ads Now
| http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html

ftp is a thought. I will certainly look in to it. Thanks....

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:00:53 -0500, "Bishoop" <none@none.net> wrote:

Thanks, I know what ipconfig does. :-) My point above (how do you
know you're pinging one of your own computers) was directed toward the
fact that, if you're on a LAN with a hundred of your neighbours, and
you don't know how their computers are set up, you might have IP
address conflicts. Anyways.. What are the TCP/IP settings on your
computers? Are they picked up from DHCP or set manually?
What does NET VIEW show you on each computer?

Great. You have File and Print Sharing installed on both, and
resources shared on each computer? Click Start, Run, "\\machinename".
You should see all the shares on that computer. You could also try
Start -> Run "\\ipaddress".

I suspect that when you ran the Network Setup Wizard, it may have
re-enabled ICF. You might want to take another look at that. I would
also suggest you don't use Simple File Sharing, if other people can
get access to these computers through your community network, and
rather use XP Pro file sharing.

Cheers,
dan

<snip>

| Thanks, I know what ipconfig does. :-) My point above (how do you
| know you're pinging one of your own computers) was directed toward the
| fact that, if you're on a LAN with a hundred of your neighbours, and
| you don't know how their computers are set up, you might have IP
| address conflicts. Anyways.. What are the TCP/IP settings on your
| computers? Are they picked up from DHCP or set manually?
| What does NET VIEW show you on each computer?

IPs are assigned by DHCP.

| >I can ping successfully by either ip address or name.
|
| Great. You have File and Print Sharing installed on both, and
| resources shared on each computer? Click Start, Run, "\\machinename".
| You should see all the shares on that computer. You could also try
| Start -> Run "\\ipaddress".

I ran net view \\machinename and I get a full listing of the the remote
machine shares.
Running net view with the IP address yields the same positive results.

| I suspect that when you ran the Network Setup Wizard, it may have
| re-enabled ICF. You might want to take another look at that. I would
| also suggest you don't use Simple File Sharing, if other people can
| get access to these computers through your community network, and
| rather use XP Pro file sharing.

I agree with you on Simple File Sharing and that will be changed once I can
establish proper connection.

With this latest net niew information can you now see the error of my ways?

I really appreciate your assistance.

As a sanity check we went through and resetup the Workgroups using a
different name and different Computer Descriptions names.

The results are excactly the same.

We can see each other via net view, either by IP or machine name but not in
any WinXP screen.

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:36:52 -0500, "Bishoop" <none@none.net> wrote:

Not really. :-) You can ping the address, so you have TCP/IP
configured correctly on both. You can ping by host name, so you've
got name resolution working. You can view the resources, so you've
got sharing set up OK. Getting to see them both in the workgroup
should be a no-brainer if all that is working.

It's possible that Simple File Sharing *is* the problem, and switching
to good old XP file sharing will resolve this. If you wait 'til this
workgroup issue is resolved before changing, you might never get to
change.

Other reasonable things to do: You're sure they're on the same
workgroup? You might want to set it to a different workgruop and see
if that makes a difference.

Try rebooting in Safe Mode, remove ALL the network components, rename
the computer and change the workgroup, and then reboot. Re-detect the
hardware, re-add the network components, and change the computer
name(s) and workgroup(s) to something new (i.e. neither their current
names nor the names you changed them to previously).

Coiuple shots in the dark: At the command prompt, run "nbtstat -n" on
both. Check for anything out of whack, e.g. different group names.
Also, if your computers are effectively on a LAN -- i.e. you don't
need to go through a router from one to reach the other --- you may
try enabling NetBEU on both.

Cheers,
dan

Dan,

As you suggested here's nbtstat -n and -s data from both machines.

I'd appreciate it if you'd offer an opinion on the results. I'm trying to
learn, but at this point it's Greek to me.

Thanks for your continuted suggestions.....

=====================================

The first machine is mine: Workgroup = LADYLAKE, computer name = kt-400,
user name = ACP, IP = 10.1.6.92.


Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\ACP>nbtstat -n

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [10.1.6.92] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
KT-400 <00> UNIQUE Registered
LADYLAKE <00> GROUP Registered
KT-400 <03> UNIQUE Registered
KT-400 <20> UNIQUE Registered
LADYLAKE <1E> GROUP Registered
LADYLAKE <1D> UNIQUE Registered
..__MSBROWSE__. <01> GROUP Registered

C:\Documents and Settings\ACP>nbtstat -s

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [10.1.6.92] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Connection Table

Local Name State In/Out Remote Host
Input Output
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------
KT-400 <00> Connected Out DRAGON <20>
2KB 5KB
KT-400 <03> Listening

C:\Documents and Settings\ACP>

===================================

This is the remotemachine: Workgroup = LADYLAKE, computer name = DRAGON,
user name = Diane, IP = 10.1.4.106.


Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Diane>nbtstat -n

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [10.1.4.106] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
DRAGON <00> UNIQUE Registered
LADYLAKE <00> GROUP Registered
DRAGON <03> UNIQUE Registered
DIANE <03> UNIQUE Registered
DRAGON <20> UNIQUE Registered
LADYLAKE <1E> GROUP REgistered
LADYLAKE <1D> UNIQUE Registered
..__MSBROWSE__. <01> GROUP Registered




C:\Documents and Settings\Diane>nbtstat -s

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [10.1.4.106] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Connection Table

Local Name State In/Out Remote Host
Input Output
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------

DRAGON <00> Listening
DIANE <03> Listening
Dragon Connected IN
2KB

C:\Documents and Settings\Diane>

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:57:02 -0500, "Bishoop" <none@none.net> wrote:

No flashes of insight, but an anomaly:

Note the user names. The user name "ACP" should show up in the
NBTSTAT printout, with an <03> suffix. Similarly, the user name
"DIANE" should show up with an <03) suffix in the NBTSTAT printout for
the other computer. However:

The "ACP" user isn't in there. I don't know WHY it's not in there,
but it SHOULD be in there. That throws up a red flag for me. Compare
to the DRAGON computer:

There the "DIANE" user is plain to see.

Something wierd about that. Any ideas? You're not logging on to the
KT-400 computer the same you're logging on to the DRAGON box. Maybe
try uninstalling and re-installing Client for Microsoft Networks.

Cheers,
dan

Dan,

Here's what I found today without any changes to either system.

On my machine, kt-400, go to My Network Places > Add a network place >
Choose another.... > Insert \\dragon\mydocuments in the Internet or network
address box > Browse Entire Network > MS Windows Network > Workgroup and
viola there is DRAGON and all her shares for selecting.

I selected the share I wanted to look at > Next > Next > Finish.

Now the share appears as a selection in My Network Places.

One problem. The Permissions were set to 'everyone'/Full Contol on the
DRAGON machine for the share I was looking in. I could view and open files
but could not copy and paste a file from my machine to hers. Can you help
with this part of the part problem? At the time of this test we had Simple
Files Sharing disabled.

Yes, we immediately removed Sharing from the folder after testing.

Thanks again for you continued help.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:30:59 -0500, "Bishoop" <none@none.net> wrote:

What happened when you tried? Specific error messages would be
helpful.

Cheers,
dan