Oh how I love New Jersey.

In order to renew a State DL I've held in good standing for 32 years, I now
have to present 6-points worth of documentation to
the NJ-DMV.

OK. No problem. I have a valid passport (4 points) An
acceptable (not a photocopy) birth certificate (4 points) and a current NJ
Digital DL, also (4-points) So I'm WAY past good right?

WRONG!

Those are considered "Primary Documents". And I can only use ONE of the
above. Huh? Why? My birth certificate is the original and it's almost 50
years old. I've held a valid NJ DL since 1974, and my passport's valid.

OK. I'll take the 4 points and forget it. Let's move along to column "B"
then shall we?

"Secondary Documents" These are broken down into 2 and 3 point categories
and you MUST produce at least one. Hmmm. Since I have four points already
(actually I have fucking TWELVE, but who's counting?) I only need 2 more.
Let's look at the 2-pointers;

- School photo ID. - Nope. Haven't been a student in a while.

- College photo ID WITH transcript. - Nope. See above.

- Valid State or local Government DL. - Nope. Don't work for the
Government.

- Same as above except Employee ID. - Nope. Don't work for the Government.

- Military Discharge papers. (DD214) - Nope. Wasn't in the service.

- FAA Pilots license. - Nope. Not a pilot. And can SOMEBODY PLEASE explain
to me why that's NOT at least a FOUR POINTER if not a fucking BINGO!

For Christ's sake! Hello? Earth to the United States, the FAA, and NJ.
Come in, please.

Anybody remember 9/11? You mean to tell me the FAA hasn't been forced to
tighten up
their pilot licensing rules a bit since then? A fucking FAA APPROVED
fucking PILOTS LICENSE is only worth 2 FUCKING points towards
my NJ DL? ... FUCK ME!

Welp. That's it for the 2-pointers. No go. Hope I have a 3-pointer. Let's
see:

- NJ firearm purchaser card - Nope. Don't have any use for a gun.

- US Military photo retiree card. - I wasn't in the military for the two
point questions, and I haven't enlisted and subsequently retired while
reading the
these three pointers so, nope

- Current US Military dependant card. - What? Again with the military?
Nope.

- Court order for legal name change. - Nope. I'm not a criminal. No need
for that.

- Divorce Decree. - Yep, but it's 30 years old and it's a photocopy, so it's
no good.

- Civil Marriage Certificate - Yes! Finally.

OK. I've amassed 7 points now. I'm all good to go right?

WRONG!

Now I need at least ONE "Proof of Residence".

I'll spare you all the idiotic choices they list and just tell you I just
happen to have a
property tax bill on hand that covers the criteria. So I'm off to the DMV
tomorrow.

And all this from a State that was (and I'm DEAD SERIOUS) recently
considering
handing out drivers licenses willy-nilly to illegal aliens. Oh sorry. The
politically correct term for them is, "Undocumented Citizens".

Is it any wonder this country is in the shape it's in? An FAA approved
pilots
license is only a 2-point document, while a marriage/divorce certificate is
worth 3 points toward a State DL. And is if that's not stupid enough;

If the NJ liberals had their way, as long as you're in
the Country illegally you should be able to obtain a valid NJ DL without
producing a fucking single shred of paper.

Beautiful.

Ya know?

I hear retinal image scanning is going to be the NJ-DMV's next big step in
security. Apparently your retinas are as unique as your fingerprints and
are perfect for proving identity. Way better than
fingerprints because you can't easily alter your retinas

Seems like a good idea to me.

But you just wait. Not ten days after they spend 50 scadzillion tax-dollars
getting it in place, the ACLU will claim the NJ-DMV is discriminating
against
people who want a NJ drivers license, but who are "retinally challenged".

And I'd be willing to bet that unless and until someone
who can translate and speak Spanglish/Ebonics explains to those ACLU a-holes
what a retina is, and does ....

They'll continue to persue "the cause", and the idiots who govern us will
continue to take them seriously.

God help us all. Especially our children and grandchildren.

And yes. Even though I'm dead, I feel *much* better now.

--
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish

Euripides wrote:
Why is a blue-challenged citizen livin on a blue state?
arent there exams at blue states frontiers, to keep BC people out?

FYI, it is foreigners who cook your food, design your rockets, and
fueled
the internet revolution . . .

If you have your documents in order, you have nothing to be afraid of;
have you?

J!

jump wrote:

<snip drivel>

Alles ist in ordnung!

--
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On 2006-03-07, Euripides <euripidesetrousers@youmendadesetrousers.not> wrote:
snip

What strikes me as sad, is that none of the evidence required 'proves'
that you are the person who took the driving test to get the licence being
renewed. But that's probably a conundrum beyond solution.

One might almost get the impression that whoever rules New Jersey doesn't
want civilians driving anything.

Perhaps you could get gun permit and then turn up with a gun, explaining
that you had to get it 'for the points'?

snip

Neither fingerprints not retinal scans are 'proven' to be sufficiently
'unique' to identify only one person, only to distinguish between two
people or a small group of people. Quite a few people have retinas and/or
fingerprints that are not capable of sufficient resolution by current
equipment or 'experts' to prove anything - and of course, some people don't
have a full set of organs.

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-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:t891e3-2km.ln1@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
But which government department would allow someone who had lost both eyes
(and so be ineligible for retina recognition) to drive a car? LOL

Not New Jersey nor anywhere else.

Whiskers wrote:

All that shit (and more) was covered when I renewed my passport a year ago.
Was all that information lost?

<snip>

It's fucking pathetic when your so-called leaders care more about
"Undocumented Citizens" then they do about about the tax-payers.

"Euripides" <euripidesetrousers@youmendadesetrousers.not> wrote:

|>Oh how I love New Jersey.
|>
|>In order to renew a State DL I've held in good standing for 32 years, I now
|>have to present 6-points worth of documentation to
|>the NJ-DMV.

Washington state... I got a renewal notice in the mail, with a web
address I could log onto and renew my license; if I didn't want to
wasted my time in line.

I swear, couldn't believe how easy it was, log'd on, renewed, kept my
motorcycle endorsement and supplied a credit card number.
Only problem, was I was issued a new license with a very poor 4 year
old picture.

And my driving record is by no means clean...



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"Aardvark" <Trash@AardvarkBusinessSolutions.com> wrote:

|>
|>"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote in message
|>news:t891e3-2km.ln1@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
|>> On 2006-03-07, Euripides <euripidesetrousers@youmendadesetrousers.not>
|>> wrote:
|>> equipment or 'experts' to prove anything - and of course, some people
|>> don't
|>> have a full set of organs.
|>>
|>> --
|>> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
|>> -- Whiskers
|>> -- ~~~~~~~~~~

|>But which government department would allow someone who had lost both eyes
|>(and so be ineligible for retina recognition) to drive a car? LOL
|>
|>Not New Jersey nor anywhere else.

Would you believe....

"Braille courseware for driver license. Submitter can't see tag for
"you can't make this stuff up"" - Fark.com
http://www.ameinfo.com/79614.html

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What trick, what device, what starting-hole on Tue, 7 Mar 2006
14:25:12 -0500, canst thou now find out, to hide "Euripides"
<euripidesetrousers@youmendadesetrousers.not> from this open and
apparent shame?:

Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Teilen

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Turn off that damned internet!
http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/

What trick, what device, what starting-hole on Tue, 7 Mar 2006
21:07:09 +0000, canst thou now find out, to hide Whiskers
<catwheezel@operamail.com> from this open and apparent shame?:

They ain't gonna be lookin' at MY organs, no sir!

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Turn off that damned internet!
http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/

What trick, what device, what starting-hole on Tue, 7 Mar 2006
13:37:54 -0500, canst thou now find out, to hide "Euripides"
<euripidesetrousers@youmendadesetrousers.not> from this open and
apparent shame?:


A couple were necking in a car.
The girl said to the guy, "Kiss me where it smells bad!"

So he drove her to New Jersey.

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:37:54 -0500, Euripides wrote:

I'm going through that now in California.

My last driver's license expired five years ago. Then I had upsets in my
life (including almost a year in jail, combined with an injury which left
me paralyzed below the waist), followed by several years in nursing homes.
I'm now to the point where I can think of moving out on my own, so I
investigated getting a new ID card (ID card only because I won't be
driving, at least for the moment).

So I called the DMV in Sacramento. Why Sacramento? Because you can't call
your local DMV office, the numbers aren't listed. Well it's an 800 number
so no huhu. So I get on the line with some droid who proceeds to tell me
that it's been so long since I've had an ID card that I have to sart over,
and to do that I have to have a /notarized/ copy of the application form
when I go into the DMV orifice after having made an appointment.

Well in good. So I called a local notary. She said that I have to have an
ID card or DL, or the testimony of at least two people who know me, in
order to get the document notarized. Catch-22. WhiskeyTangoFubar over?
And, again, California's another state that wants to give driver's
licenses to undocumented people. (Which I'm in favor of, because they they
fall under the State's compulsory insurance law ... not that most of them
can afford insurance, so there's some Liberal Fuzzy Thinking.)

Finally, after several more calls and after sending a friend down to the
orifice to sit on the manager, I think I finally have this sorted out. I
think: cross fingers, toes, eyes, pubic hairs, and whatever else is
available.

--
Gary G. Taylor * Pomona|anomoP, CA * http://www.donavan.org
"The two most abundant things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity."
--Robert A. Heinlein, Harlan Ellison, Frank Zappa, and many others
"Living free is the best revenge." --GT

"Gary G. Taylor" wrote
Possession of stolen sausages? Jesus H. Christ.

gangle wrote:


Here, sausageporn. Sit.
http://www.sausagelinks.co.uk/

--
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as
members. Groucho Marx

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:44:01 -0800, gangle wrote:

Shut up, glurd, or I'll steal your penis from the refrigerator and
substitute a sausage.

--
Gary G. Taylor * Pomona|anomoP, CA * http://www.donavan.org
"The two most abundant things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity."
--Robert A. Heinlein, Harlan Ellison, Frank Zappa, and many others
"Living free is the best revenge." --GT

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:26:37 +0000, Scraggy wrote:

W00t!

--
Gary G. Taylor * Pomona|anomoP, CA * http://www.donavan.org
"The two most abundant things in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity."
--Robert A. Heinlein, Harlan Ellison, Frank Zappa, and many others
"Living free is the best revenge." --GT

Euripides wrote:

Amazing story. Here in Texas we can renew on-line without leaving the
house...

http://www.texasonline.state.tx.us/N...ng/welcome.jsp

FML wrote:

But true.

Texas huh? Why am I not surprised? :-)

Anyway. I must admit I was shocked and awed by the fact that I now hold a
hologram covered, puke yellow, bad-picture-having, shiny, brandy-ass-new NJ
State drivers license that only took me twenty minutes to obtain from the
time I walked in the DMV doors.

Of course, I had my "papers in order" ahead of time though.

FML <NoSpamForMe@Invalid.xxx> wrote in
news:WL6dneDq67Y7JYzZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com:

Texas is also the first state to put in an express lane to death row. Not
that that is bad thing. I can think of some that should qualify for that.

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I keep hitting escape but I'm still here !@#$@#$% !

"Euripides" <euripidesetrousers@youmendadesetrousers.not> wrote in
news:e_mdneKCBemfTpDZRVn-gA@comcast.com:


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