My Dad and I are both running XP Hoe, but I noticed that some of the
features are different. For example (and this is the major reason for the
post), tonight, I got one of the Windows newsletters, and it explained how
to compact files, in order to save disk space. I compacted my large files,
and showed my dad what I was doing, and he tried to do the same. What
happened when he hit the Properties button blew me away, as well as
confoundedly confused me ... when Dad right-clicks a file, then selects
"Properties," he does not get the "Advanced" button on ANY of his files or
folders. We both have the same OS, so why is his so different?

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:41:01 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

I think you mean XP Ho.

I barely know XP (never had a computer with it until it came on a laptop I
bought last week). But might the difference be running as admin versus as
a limited user?

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oh shit...good luck now mate...

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same sp?

"PuppyKatt" <PuppyKatt@Hogwartz.not> wrote in message
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PuppyKatt wrote:
a suggestion tho, You have greater control over files & properties if
the drive is formatted with NTFS than you do with FAT or FAT32. I have
FAT on all my drives (right-mouse click on the drive and do properties)
and look next to File system. I'm guessing you hve NTFS - let us know
please

-alan

"PuppyKatt" <PuppyKatt@Hogwartz.not> wrote in message
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Look at the file system...
right click on the C: drive and look at ...properties, general, file system

is your harddrive listed as NTFS?

is his listed as Fat32 ?


NTFS drive can be compressed..while Fat32 drive may not be compressed.

Although with today's large harddrives compression usually isn't anything to
bother with...
the Fat32 drive could be converted to NTFS if desired... (see "help" for
instructions)
even though doing a conversion is fairly safe...it would be advisable to
perform a backup first

Yes, doS, both computers are running XP sp2, both completely updated. I
can't figure this one out.

"doS" <kobo65@hotremovemail.com> wrote in message
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Both computers are NTFS.

"Alan" <alan@alankw.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:41:01 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

Are you positive both pcs are XP-Home?

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...hyetc/efs.mspx
"There is no Advanced button on the file properties page of your Windows XP
Home computer, so you cannot mark the file for encryption. No solution is
necessary because Windows XP Home doesn't have EFS."

Can someone confirm this? We only have XP-Pro.

Also, I found these threads:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/forumarch...st23688327.asp
http://www.archivum.info/microsoft.p.../msg00293.html

Bill

Bill wrote:

On all my XP computers the Advanced button is present, although only the
XP PRO ones have the encryption setting. On Home it is grayed out and
only allows compression.

--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus

Neither of us are attempting to encrypt, we are attempting to compress the
files in order to save space. We both have XP Home. Someone stole my
original disk, so when I had to reinstall a year ago, I called Microsoft
Canada, and they told me that I can use Dad's disk, but my 25 digit Product
Key, because we both have the OEM version of XP, bought from the same place
that built both computers for us. Therefore, there is no doubt as to the
version being identical.

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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:31:10 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

I am still thinking along the lines of the drive / partition the file is
on isn't NTFS, you can only compress files on NTFS. The advanced tab
options don't apply to non NTFS.

I don't have XP Home, as much as there are different things between Home
and Pro , try Control Panel / Administrative Tools (need to be logged in
as administrator or use Run As) / Computer Management / Disk Management
the file system type is shown.

Top posting fixed

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:17:00 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

OK. I realized you were not trying to encrypt.

Interesting, though that
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...hyetc/efs.mspx
claims "There is no Advanced button on the file properties page of your
Windows XP Home computer," while Oldus Fartus does have the advanced button
and you have on one machine only. <shrug>

Did you look at the links I posted? They both discuss a missing "Advanced"
button and NTFS compression.

Bill

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:41:01 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

From microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics:

I have a single HDD with several NTFS Partitions: C: D: E: etc.
C: is my System partition - XP Home SP2.
I can compress files (i.e.. the 'Advanced' Button is available) on all
Partitions except C:
C: is NTFS as are all other Partitions - How do I get the 'Advanced' Button
back?


<snip a whole bunch of posts>


Does the compact command work on C:?
Compact
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...s/compact.mspx

<snip>

You've just found the problem - Thank you.
The 'Compact' command doesn't work.
It fails with the error:
"The filesystem does not support compression or the cluster size is larger
than 4096 bytes"
When I run chkdsk: The drive has 16K Clusters.
Using Paragon's Hard Disk Manager, I reduced the Cluster Size to 4KB: This
fixed the problem.
The 'Advanced Button' has returned, as has the C: Drive Compress CheckBox.
Thank you for all your help - If you hadn't asked me to try the 'Compact'
command, I've no idea how long it would have taken me to fix the issue.

Bill

Thank you for this, why. Dad's C drive is NTFS, but his other three
partitions are, indeed, FAT32. is it safe to just convert them to NTFS, or
is there a special way to do this without damaging/losing data?
Step-by-step, please.

"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:30:20 GMT, Bill wrote:

Nice one.

Ah!! Now I remember that, would have been an NT4 server article too many
years ago to remember, which made me remember this - it's in the format
command help :-)

<snip>

Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM)
(C) Copyright 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp.

E:\>format /?
Formats a disk for use with Windows NT.

FORMAT drive: [/FS:file-system] [/V:label] [/Q] [/A:size] [/C]
FORMAT drive: [/V:label] [/Q] [/F:size]
FORMAT drive: [/V:label] [/Q] [/T:tracks /N:sectors]
FORMAT drive: [/V:label] [/Q] [/1] [/4]
FORMAT drive: [/Q] [/1] [/4] [/8]

/FS:file-system Specifies the type of the file system (FAT or NTFS).
/V:label Specifies the volume label.
/Q Performs a quick format.
/C Files created on the new volume will be compressed by
default.
/A:size Overrides the default allocation unit size. Default
settings are strongly recommended for general use.
NTFS supports 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K.
FAT supports 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K, 128K, 256K.
NTFS compression is not supported for allocation unit sizes
above 4096.
/F:size Specifies the size of the floppy disk to format (160,
180, 320, 360, 720, 1.2, 1.44, 2.88, or 20.8).
/T:tracks Specifies the number of tracks per disk side.
/N:sectors Specifies the number of sectors per track.
/1 Formats a single side of a floppy disk.
/4 Formats a 5.25-inch 360K floppy disk in a
high-density drive.
/8 Formats eight sectors per track.

E:\>

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:43:00 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

There is IIRC a cmd line option, it may have been a resource kit tool,
hang on a sec while I look.

It's command line,

C:\Documents and Settings\user1>help

For more information on a specific command, type HELP command-name.

CONVERT Converts FAT volumes to NTFS. You cannot convert the
current drive.




C:\WINNT\system32>convert /?

Converts FAT volumes to NTFS.

CONVERT volume /FS:NTFS [/V]

volume Specifies the drive letter (followed by a colon),
mount point, or volume name.
/FS:NTFS Specifies that the volume to be converted to NTFS.
/V Specifies that Convert should be run in verbose mode.

C:\WINNT\system32>

So basically if your Windows is on drive C: and you run a cmd prompt
from C you can't convert C.


So advice here would be get some partition mananger app, like paragon to
do the work for you.

The other bit of advice would be make and test recovery from at least 2
sets of backups of any data you want to keep.

I'm looking up a local copy of MS Technet, so you need to find the
article id on www.google.com or
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1


The Free Space That Is Required to Convert FAT to NTFS
Article ID: 314875
Article Last Modified on 1/24/2002

How to convert a FAT16 volume or a FAT32 volume to an NTFS file system
in Windows XP
Article ID: 307881
Article Last Modified on 9/28/2005

How to Use Convert.exe to Convert a Partition to the NTFS File System
Article ID: 314097
Article Last Modified on 11/4/2003

The Default Cluster Size for the NTFS and FAT File Systems
Article ID: 314878
Article Last Modified on 1/31/2002
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APPLIES TO
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition
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This article was previously published under Q314878
For a Microsoft Windows 2000 version of this article, see 140365.



Thanks to Bill for the reminder, see his post about compression and only
if the cluster size is 4096.

Message-ID: <12f1lkrqag216.111kfjunc0s3g.dlg@40tude.net>


<snip>

Me

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:43:00 -0600, PuppyKatt wrote:

Didn't mention anything about a step-by-step guide. I have never needed
to change after the fact. I always use the setup to make a NTFS
partition to install on, then I use the Disk Admin (NT4) / Disk
Management (2000/XP) to create NTFS partitions after.

Google around a bit.

<very big snip, possible it's too big>

Me

Thank you very, very much.

"why?" <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote in message
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PuppyKatt wrote:
Hard Drives are very cheap these days. You are probably better off
getting a new drive and re-installing or using a utility to copy
everything from the old/smaller drive to the new larger drive. Working
with compressed folders will slow you down some.

What size hard drive(s) does he have?