Situation:

Windows 98 system which seems to want to run Scandisk to do a
surface scan on boot-up after each bad shutdown (normal behavior should
be, AFAIK, doing only the file system logical error checks but NOT the
surface scan). I have verified that no physical problems exist running
the Dos based Norton Disk Doctor on the thorough setting (the one that
lasts many hours).

Questions:

What might cause this behavior? The only thing I've found in a
preliminary Google search which might set Scandisk to always run the
surface scan is the configuration file 'scandisk.ini' but this was not
set in this way in the aforementioned Windows 98 system (and I don't
even think scandisk.ini is used under this circumstance --rather it
would be used when it is run from the command line with the '/CUSTOM'
parameter).

Am I asking the wrong question? Is there anything other than bad
sectors which would cause a surface scan to run? I understand there's a
bit flag (Microsoft calls it HrdErrBitMask) which can be set in the file
system which would make Scandisk run to do a surface scan. Would there
be any situations not involving actual physical errors which might
routinely cause this field to be set?

TIA,
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Try looking in the MSDOS.SYS file. You'll find the file in the root
directory of drive C:. You'll have to change the attributes of the file to
edit it, but you can look at it without changing anything. Sometimes Windows
will put a command in the file during a "hiccup" or "brain fart".



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You may have a "scandisk.ini" file in your root directory
that stipulates to perform a surface scan. Check for
such a file and alter the parameters. The file usually
has hint text inside it.


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There is a parameter in that file which controls whether Scandisk is
run after a bad shutdown and, if so, whether it will prompt the user
(see http://support.microsoft.com/support...Q118/5/79.asp). My
question is not addressed by that as my question doesn't deal with
Scandisk running after a bad shutdown (a good thing) but rather with the
annoyance Scandisk running the surface scan in this circumstance --which
in my experience with my computers is not normal (IOW, unless I'm the
one having a "brain fart" here, as far as I can remember, though
Scandisk will obviously run after a bad shutdown --if configured to do
so-- it should not run the surface scan).

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No such file there. There was such a file in the windows\command
directory (as well as some cab directory) and it had the 'surface'
parameter on the 'custom' section set to 'never' .

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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:20:55 GMT, in
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Boot into DOS from a floppy with CD support, rename
win.com and extract a fresh copy. Win.com is what
calls scandisk.

Creating a New Win.com File When You Cannot Start Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=136630

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It is my understanding that Windows 98 runs scandisk with the "/custom" and
"/simpleui" switch after a bad shutdown. I suggest editing "scandisk.ini".

Ben

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Why would win.com ever get changed? And if it was attributable an
instance of some sort of random corruption, how could Windows still
remain bootable?

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I sit corrected (the '/simpleui' switch is undocumented but it is
also right there in 'Win.com' along with '/custom'). Yet scandisk.ini
was set not to run a surface scan.

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August Pamplona scrawled:

Applications, such as Norton Utilities, can change win.com to
point to their own routines. It's most likely not a corruption,
rather a change to the options.

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To answer your original question, I know of nothing except DOS and Windows
that would set the surface scan bit in the file allocation table. You might try
temporarily renaming scandisk.ini to rule it out as the culprit. The simplest
solution would be to add "AutoScan=0" to the "[Options]" section of
"c:\msdos.sys".

Ben

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Adding AutoScan-0 to msdos.sys will prevent scandisk from
running after a bad shutdown, and is *bad* advice.


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I agree !!!

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Does Win 98 run the DOS Scandisk or Windows Scandisk after bad shutdown?

DOS

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:09:05 -0000, Knowing that it was a Hollywood
invention that lemmings jump off cliffs "AlanS"
<alan@*remove*.mrals.fsnet.co.uk> wrote :

They are the same program.Scandskw.exe is merely the windows launcher
of scandisk.exe with a window's GUI so it's options don't have to be
typed in a command line.
HTH





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They are different programs, but have the same function. They run in
different environments.
scandskw.exe for windows
scandisk.exe for DOS


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