I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the same
thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't it
the same thing I would download when I do the update online?

Sentinel wrote:
> I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it
> the same thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS?
> Alternatively, isn't it the same thing I would download when I do
> the update online?

OEM vs Retail.
Google it.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Sentinel wrote:

> I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the same
> thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't it
> the same thing I would download when I do the update online?

There is no download for XP, just the service packs.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Microsoft does not sell OEM versions of Windows XP
directly to end-users. OEM versions are meant for
"System Builders" and you assume the System Builder's
licensing requirements and restrictions therein.

OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".
-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Sentinel" wrote:

| I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the same
| thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't it
| the same thing I would download when I do the update online?

1) I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150.

2) Isn't it the same thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS?

3) Alternatively, isn't it the same thing I would download when I do the
update online?

If I wanted to go to Google, I would not have come here, and if you do not
want to give a specific answer, it makes no sense to reply and tell the
poster to go to google.

Thank you.

-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.

"free Microsoft technical support" is made of the same kind of green cheese
the moon is made out of.

Go for the OEM! then upgrade to Vista!

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:utHSN0oBGHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft does not sell OEM versions of Windows XP
> directly to end-users. OEM versions are meant for
> "System Builders" and you assume the System Builder's
> licensing requirements and restrictions therein.
>
> OEM versions of Windows XP:
>
> -- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
> -- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
> -- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
> -- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
> -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
> -- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
> is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the
> "seller".
> -- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.
>
> Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows - Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Sentinel" wrote:
>
> | I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the
> same
> | thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't
> it
> | the same thing I would download when I do the update online?
>

Thank you Carey. As long as I can continue to get the security updates then,
I think these other things you listed will not bother me so much.

BTW, I didn't buy this because it was OEM; I bought it because it was XP
"PRO" and someone told me that I did not have to go through activation with
the Pro version. I also thought it would be good to have all the security
things on one cd because I use dial up. Downloading the MS updates has to be
done at night when I go to bed and can leave the computer on all night

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:utHSN0oBGHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft does not sell OEM versions of Windows XP
> directly to end-users. OEM versions are meant for
> "System Builders" and you assume the System Builder's
> licensing requirements and restrictions therein.
>
> OEM versions of Windows XP:
>
> -- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
> -- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
> -- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
> -- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
> -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
> -- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
> is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the
"seller".
> -- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.
>
> Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows - Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
>
> "Sentinel" wrote:
>
> | I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the
same
> | thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't
it
> | the same thing I would download when I do the update online?
>

u have to go through activation with home and pro....

but as long as you activate on the same computer MS cant deny you the
ability to activate.

the non -activation ones are sold to companies that have to install them on
hundreds of computers.. so that activation would be too much of a hassle.

The term used by people is "corporate" although MS never called it that way.





"Sentinel" <Sentinel@invalid.aol.com> wrote in message
news:eUCwWGpBGHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thank you Carey. As long as I can continue to get the security updates
> then,
> I think these other things you listed will not bother me so much.
>
> BTW, I didn't buy this because it was OEM; I bought it because it was XP
> "PRO" and someone told me that I did not have to go through activation
> with
> the Pro version. I also thought it would be good to have all the security
> things on one cd because I use dial up. Downloading the MS updates has to
> be
> done at night when I go to bed and can leave the computer on all night
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:utHSN0oBGHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Microsoft does not sell OEM versions of Windows XP
>> directly to end-users. OEM versions are meant for
>> "System Builders" and you assume the System Builder's
>> licensing requirements and restrictions therein.
>>
>> OEM versions of Windows XP:
>>
>> -- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
>> -- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
>> -- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
>> -- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
>> -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
>> -- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
>> is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the
> "seller".
>> -- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.
>>
>> Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows - Shell/User
>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------
>>
>> "Sentinel" wrote:
>>
>> | I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the
> same
>> | thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't
> it
>> | the same thing I would download when I do the update online?
>>
>
>

I have read about a way to save some files before you format and reinstall,
and replace those files, so you can skip the activation again, as long as
you dont change anything significant on your pc... you will have to google
about that because I have never tried it.



"Sentinel" <Sentinel@invalid.aol.com> wrote in message
news:eUCwWGpBGHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thank you Carey. As long as I can continue to get the security updates
> then,
> I think these other things you listed will not bother me so much.
>
> BTW, I didn't buy this because it was OEM; I bought it because it was XP
> "PRO" and someone told me that I did not have to go through activation
> with
> the Pro version. I also thought it would be good to have all the security
> things on one cd because I use dial up. Downloading the MS updates has to
> be
> done at night when I go to bed and can leave the computer on all night
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:utHSN0oBGHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Microsoft does not sell OEM versions of Windows XP
>> directly to end-users. OEM versions are meant for
>> "System Builders" and you assume the System Builder's
>> licensing requirements and restrictions therein.
>>
>> OEM versions of Windows XP:
>>
>> -- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
>> -- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
>> -- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
>> -- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
>> -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
>> -- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
>> is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the
> "seller".
>> -- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.
>>
>> Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows - Shell/User
>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------
>>
>> "Sentinel" wrote:
>>
>> | I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150. Isn't it the
> same
>> | thing I would get if I bought it straight from MS? Alternatively, isn't
> it
>> | the same thing I would download when I do the update online?
>>
>
>

Sentinel wrote:

> Thank you Carey. As long as I can continue to get the security updates then,
> I think these other things you listed will not bother me so much.
>
> BTW, I didn't buy this because it was OEM; I bought it because it was XP
> "PRO" and someone told me that I did not have to go through activation with
> the Pro version. I also thought it would be good to have all the security
> things on one cd because I use dial up. Downloading the MS updates has to be
> done at night when I go to bed and can leave the computer on all night

Activation is needed for XP Pro. The person who told you otherwise is
wrong or misinformed. Even with SP2 you'll need to download updates.
There were many post SP2 updates.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Sentinel wrote:
> 1) I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150.
>
> 2) Isn't it the same thing I would get if I bought it straight from
> MS?
>
> 3) Alternatively, isn't it the same thing I would download when I
> do the update online?
>
> If I wanted to go to Google, I would not have come here, and if you
> do not want to give a specific answer, it makes no sense to reply
> and tell the poster to go to google.

If you went to google - you wouldn't have to come here.

OEM does not come with the support from Microsoft that a retail copy would.
Original Equipment Manufacturer copy is what it is - for those who assemble
systems and sell them - and the OEM who sells the copy is the main support
contact - that is your main difference and one of the main reasons for the
lesser price.

Direct answers:

1) See the short explanation of OEM. Google for OEM vs. Retail Windows XP
for more information.
2) No. Not unless you bought an OEM copy from MS.
3) What? I do not understand this question. Update online? You mean your
Windows Updates or did you buy a computer from someone who later allowed you
to get an update to the next OS through them? If the latter - then you
would need to discuss that with the OEM who sold you that copy. If you mean
Windows Updates - those are the same for everyone.

Wanted to go to google? You mean you don't want to help yourself?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

If everybody went to google, then the newsgroups would not exist. You forget
the central purpose of this NG. Now leave me alone. You are wasting my time.

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eW7TqpvBGHA.1144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Sentinel wrote:
>> 1) I am wondering how Newegg sales XP Pro OEM for just $150.
>>
>> 2) Isn't it the same thing I would get if I bought it straight from
>> MS?
>>
>> 3) Alternatively, isn't it the same thing I would download when I
>> do the update online?
>>
>> If I wanted to go to Google, I would not have come here, and if you
>> do not want to give a specific answer, it makes no sense to reply
>> and tell the poster to go to google.
>
> If you went to google - you wouldn't have to come here.
>
> OEM does not come with the support from Microsoft that a retail copy
> would. Original Equipment Manufacturer copy is what it is - for those who
> assemble systems and sell them - and the OEM who sells the copy is the
> main support contact - that is your main difference and one of the main
> reasons for the lesser price.
>
> Direct answers:
>
> 1) See the short explanation of OEM. Google for OEM vs. Retail Windows XP
> for more information.
> 2) No. Not unless you bought an OEM copy from MS.
> 3) What? I do not understand this question. Update online? You mean
> your Windows Updates or did you buy a computer from someone who later
> allowed you to get an update to the next OS through them? If the latter -
> then you would need to discuss that with the OEM who sold you that copy.
> If you mean Windows Updates - those are the same for everyone.
>
> Wanted to go to google? You mean you don't want to help yourself?
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

>Alternatively, isn't it the same thing I would download when I
> do the update online?

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 2) No. Not unless you bought an OEM copy from MS.

If the oem version I bought from newegg is different from the one I could
have bought from MS, then what is different about it? I would think the
software would be the same and that I would get the same security features
irregardless from whom I bought it.

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eW7TqpvBGHA.1144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

I'm sorry Shenan. You weren't really wasting my time, and you are entitled
to your opinion. We just have a difference of opinion. Thank you for
writing.

Sentinel

YOU can't buy OEM directly from Microsoft.. YOU can buy retail versions,
however..

OEM versions are supported by whoever installs them, so in your case, that
is YOU.. if your CD gets lost or damaged, YOU are responsible for replacing
it at your own cost.. Retail versions get you full support from Microsoft..

OEM does not allow 'upgrade' from an earlier qualifying product.. Retail
versions do..

OEM is not transferable from one computer to another under the terms of the
license.. Retail full versions are..

The content of the CD regarding security is no different..

The purchase price reflects the difference in support and use..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Sentinel" <sentinel@invalid.aol.com> wrote in message
news:OQDjy6wBGHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >Alternatively, isn't it the same thing I would download when I
>> do the update online?
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eW7TqpvBGHA.1144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> 2) No. Not unless you bought an OEM copy from MS.
>
> If the oem version I bought from newegg is different from the one I could
> have bought from MS, then what is different about it? I would think the
> software would be the same and that I would get the same security features
> irregardless from whom I bought it.
>

Sentinel wrote:
> If everybody went to google, then the newsgroups would not exist.
> You forget the central purpose of this NG. Now leave me alone. You
> are wasting my time.

Not wasting your time..

It is not true that if everyone went to google, there would be no
newsgroups. It *is* true that for questions that get asked all the time
(like yours - for example) a simple Google or newsgroup (Google Groups is a
good place to start) search will save the poster time and prevent those who
voluntarily answer (and use their time) from wasting it by answering the
same thing over and over and over. =) I know - I answer the same questions
over and over and over all the time. You seemed like someone who could have
found the answer on their own.

As for buying OEM from Microsoft (you state this elsewhere) - you aren't
going to do it. If you (as an individual) buy Windows XP from Microsoft
directly - you get a full retail version with all the benefits there-in.
You bought Windows XP from a third-party reseller who purchased (in bulk)
OEM copies of the OS. OEM copies - in essence - are no different than other
versions (retail/upgrade) of the OS other than their license agreement.
While retail and upgrade (because upgrade versions are retail) have certain
"benefits" and less "restrictions" in the EULA than the OEM copies - they
are really meant for those who assemble their own systems - and thus are
cheaper as well.

When it comes down to it - the only difference in a PURE OEM version of the
OS and the Retail/Upgrade versions is their EULA and a file or two making
that particular CD that version of the OS (and thus only allowing the OEM
keys to work with that CD.)

It's that simple. You bought OEM because it was cheaper. You learned
afterwards it is cheaper for a few key reasons.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Before this tread degenerated, did anyone actually answer the
questions?
1. Why so cheap? Actually it isn't, as I can buy the same thing in
Canada for $150 CDN so they are not giving their best price. But back
to the main reason is that they buy it in a box of ten, shrink wrapped
with an OEM Installation Kit and a licensing agreement that basically
states they will not resell it without installing it with various
modifications. The other part of the agreement states that they will
tell the end user (though the various modifications) that they are the
contact for technical support, not Microsoft. They are also required
to brand the software and create a branded distribution CD. All of
which these companies such as Newegg are not doing.
2. Is it the same thing as you would get if you bought it from
Microsoft? Assuming you could buy one unit of Windows XP Pro (SP2)
software from Microsoft, what you would get would be Microsoft branded
software, identical to the retail version. In other words it would
point you to Microsoft support facilities. The OEM version should
point to the venders support facilities, the same as it does if you
own a DELL, HP, or IBM computer, all of which have OEM licensed
operating systems. If you contact Microsoft for support and you give
them a the information from your system properties dialogue window
they will politely tell you to contact your system manufacturer.
3. No it is not the same as an upgrade. It is a full blown package,
with even more bells and whistles than the retail or upgrade packages.
It may even give you grief if you try to install it on a disk, which
already has an operating system installed.

So to make a short story long, Newegg is sort of violating its
reseller agreement by selling OEM packaged software without installing
it on a system. They justify this by claiming to be selling it to
someone who is not the end user, but merely a system integrator
themselves. In that case, you should expect to get the OEM
Installation Kit and documentation so you can properly configure the
branding and support information.

Did that make sense?

"Sentinel" <sentinel@invalid.aol.com> wrote in message
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| "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eW7TqpvBGHA.1144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
|
| I'm sorry Shenan. You weren't really wasting my time, and you are
entitled
| to your opinion. We just have a difference of opinion. Thank you for
| writing.
|
|

Mungo Bulge wrote:
> Before this tread degenerated, did anyone actually answer the
> questions?
> 1. Why so cheap? Actually it isn't, as I can buy the same thing in
> Canada for $150 CDN so they are not giving their best price. But back

I'd like to know where you get XP Pro OEM for $150.00 CDN. Even buying 30
packs it works out to more than that per unit wholesale.

> to the main reason is that they buy it in a box of ten, shrink wrapped
> with an OEM Installation Kit and a licensing agreement that basically
> states they will not resell it without installing it with various
> modifications. The other part of the agreement states that they will
> tell the end user (though the various modifications) that they are the
> contact for technical support, not Microsoft. They are also required
> to brand the software and create a branded distribution CD. All of
> which these companies such as Newegg are not doing.
> 2. Is it the same thing as you would get if you bought it from
> Microsoft? Assuming you could buy one unit of Windows XP Pro (SP2)
> software from Microsoft, what you would get would be Microsoft branded
> software, identical to the retail version. In other words it would
> point you to Microsoft support facilities. The OEM version should
> point to the venders support facilities, the same as it does if you
> own a DELL, HP, or IBM computer, all of which have OEM licensed
> operating systems. If you contact Microsoft for support and you give
> them a the information from your system properties dialogue window
> they will politely tell you to contact your system manufacturer.
> 3. No it is not the same as an upgrade. It is a full blown package,
> with even more bells and whistles than the retail or upgrade packages.
> It may even give you grief if you try to install it on a disk, which
> already has an operating system installed.
>
> So to make a short story long, Newegg is sort of violating its
> reseller agreement by selling OEM packaged software without installing
> it on a system. They justify this by claiming to be selling it to
> someone who is not the end user, but merely a system integrator
> themselves. In that case, you should expect to get the OEM
> Installation Kit and documentation so you can properly configure the
> branding and support information.

Under the new OEM rules you can sell unopened 1 packs, 3 packs, or 30 packs
to another OEM. This could be an end user building his own pc. You do not
have to sell any hardware with it. You cannot sell individual units from
opened packs. The 1 packs do not come with the OPK. If Newegg is selling
unopened one packs they are not violating their agreement.

Kerry

kenny wrote:

> -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
>

Technical support from Microsoft! what is it? When did you last have it? As soon as you phone
them, you are told in no uncertain terms that the support will cost you $7.95 per minute or
something similar!. this is to finance M$ yet another infringement of EU anti-trust order!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4552214.stm

The only advantage of retail versions is that you can move it to another system should you decide
to do so in perpetuity. OEM cannot!

The other benefits such as you can upgrade from previous versions etc. is sometimes not useful as
invariably, you will end up with a complete hotch potch if you do so.

hth

Thanks for the update.
As for where I buy:
http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=category&catid=104&mcid=15

But I lied it's $149.95 CDN

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:eu%23ljv2BGHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Mungo Bulge wrote:
| > Before this tread degenerated, did anyone actually answer the
| > questions?
| > 1. Why so cheap? Actually it isn't, as I can buy the same thing in
| > Canada for $150 CDN so they are not giving their best price. But
back
|
| I'd like to know where you get XP Pro OEM for $150.00 CDN. Even
buying 30
| packs it works out to more than that per unit wholesale.
|
| > to the main reason is that they buy it in a box of ten, shrink
wrapped
| > with an OEM Installation Kit and a licensing agreement that
basically
| > states they will not resell it without installing it with various
| > modifications. The other part of the agreement states that they
will
| > tell the end user (though the various modifications) that they are
the
| > contact for technical support, not Microsoft. They are also
required
| > to brand the software and create a branded distribution CD. All of
| > which these companies such as Newegg are not doing.
| > 2. Is it the same thing as you would get if you bought it from
| > Microsoft? Assuming you could buy one unit of Windows XP Pro (SP2)
| > software from Microsoft, what you would get would be Microsoft
branded
| > software, identical to the retail version. In other words it would
| > point you to Microsoft support facilities. The OEM version should
| > point to the venders support facilities, the same as it does if
you
| > own a DELL, HP, or IBM computer, all of which have OEM licensed
| > operating systems. If you contact Microsoft for support and you
give
| > them a the information from your system properties dialogue window
| > they will politely tell you to contact your system manufacturer.
| > 3. No it is not the same as an upgrade. It is a full blown
package,
| > with even more bells and whistles than the retail or upgrade
packages.
| > It may even give you grief if you try to install it on a disk,
which
| > already has an operating system installed.
| >
| > So to make a short story long, Newegg is sort of violating its
| > reseller agreement by selling OEM packaged software without
installing
| > it on a system. They justify this by claiming to be selling it to
| > someone who is not the end user, but merely a system integrator
| > themselves. In that case, you should expect to get the OEM
| > Installation Kit and documentation so you can properly configure
the
| > branding and support information.
|
| Under the new OEM rules you can sell unopened 1 packs, 3 packs, or
30 packs
| to another OEM. This could be an end user building his own pc. You
do not
| have to sell any hardware with it. You cannot sell individual units
from
| opened packs. The 1 packs do not come with the OPK. If Newegg is
selling
| unopened one packs they are not violating their agreement.
|
| Kerry
|
|