On 9 Feb 2007 06:46:47 -0800, "Jeremy Shank" <jeremyshank@gmail.com>
wrote:

Uh oh, backpedal, LOOK OUT!

Oh I see...cause that certainly makes a difference.

Um, hello, fucking retard, pretty much ALL art is "a step away from
reality", if it wasn't, it wouldn't be art! *rolls eyes* I swear,
where did this dumbfuck n00b crawl out from?

You missed the sarcasm, Kiddo...might wanna get yerself checked for
Asperger's.

You don't understand a LOT of things, child.

Oh really? Well, perhaps you can show us some "advanced"
tutorials...nah, didn't think you could, Poser. But hey, don't let
that stop you from runnin at the mouth.

Yeah, n00b. I mean, are you fucking retarded? Do you think popping
up out of nowhere with NO WORK, NO SITES, NO EXAMPLES, NO PORTFOLIO,
NO NOTHING behind you and then to start yappin off at the mouth about
how you THINK something is "basic" without even taking any effort to
try and explain WHY you think it's "basic"...yeah...it doesn't really
get much more n00b than that, Junior.

....wait, it took you TWENTY MINUTES?! Well shit, Poser Boi, I guess
if ya had, had that tutorial I posted ya could have figured it out in
about FIVE minutes...then again yer pretty damn slow so maybe TEN
might be a safer estimate.

Um...actually yeah, Poser has a WHOLE VARIETY of rendering output
options, maybe not as many as say Maya or 3Ds Max, but you can
certainly churn out cell shaded rendering you fuckin doorknob. And
further, THAT would actually be a infinitely MORE basic/noob level
technique than the material covered in the tutorials links I posted.
With 3D rendered cell shading it requires zero effort, zero skill and
produces formulaic looking hooha. Using the tutorial links I posted
you actually need to have some measure of skill, you actually have to
DO WORK and it's human driven painting, which makes it more
interesting to look at.

Well if you saw the Backwater site that's one of my oldest and most
out of date sites. Why don't you try this on for size:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/care-bears/

He, he, he...you couldn't even fuckin BREATH at my level, you stupid
fuckin n00b. Oh but hey, why don't you try proving me wrong? Come
on, step it the fuck up and let's see some of YOUR work, Mouth. Or is
pulling shit out of yer ass all the better you're capable of
producing? Don't fuck with me kid...I'll rip ya apart and mind fuck
ya into a Hatter Addict if yer not careful. `, )

LOL...again you missed the sarcasm. Free cl00 n00b, retarding off the
most cliche names in art history does NOT make you sound like some
kind of a seasoned art veteran, it just makes you sound like a fuckin
n00b who doesn't know shit about art outside of what he slurped the
fuck up out of his 7th grade art appreciation class.

Well no, you don't use them. See in order to use those programs you
would need to know WHY you should be using each one, when and for what
SPECIFIC tasks...you don't. I mean you are SUCH a fuckin n00b ass
retard that you would actually try and COMPARE 3DSMax to Poser?
ROTFL...I mean on the most superficial of levels they're both 3D
rendering apps, but they're not even REMOTELY related to each other in
WHAT YOU WOULD USE THEM FOR. *rolls eyes*

Uh, you would need to GET a style first for that to even happen,
Junior. So far all you got is Jack and shit...and Jack left town.

*froup line amended*

Get this, this stupid ass n00b job thinks ALL ANIMATION is clockin at
a minimum of 24 frames a second...LOL...yeah maybe if the only
animation you're familiar with is Disney derivative dumpster diving
over the past couple decades, you stupid fuckin poser n00b.

Uh huh, *SURE* you will. You won't show us shit, Junior...cause
that's all you got. LOL

As retarded as you are you probably can't even explain WHY you've
chosen that frame rate. Yer probably like, "Uh...er...it was the
default?" LOL

Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk...

http://www.backwater-productions.net...tle_Animation/

Oh look at that, LIVE animation examples. That's the difference
between you and I, I actually got stuff to back up my claims...you've
got nothing but a lot of hot air.

Hell, my AMVs alone could severely beat the fuckin shit out of
anything you're capable of producing:

http://www.backwater-productions.net...eelingthis.avi
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_video/twistof.avi

That last one has some of the most untouched levels of uncut animation
to music/beat synch you can find. Most n00bs like you get to choppin
frames at the beats, those on my level have the skill to flawlessly
match the animation itself to the music.

Buy hey, you wanna compare stuff that's "in the works", right? Well
hells bells, why don't ya try this on for size, Junior:
http://www.backwater-productions.net...ler_Sample.avi

Yeah that'd be the cheap ass N00B way to do it. Make sure it's REALLY
cheesy lookin, try and make it as plastic looking as possible, yeah,
boy I bet THAT'LL look just awesome.

Yeah, what with how you don't even have the skillz yet to actually
back up any of this bullshit yer dreamin about.

Sorry Junior, but I've got dozens upon dozens of examples of custom,
high end, professional grade product in nearly every discipline of
computer tech there is, from programming to graphic design to
rendering, to gaming, to animation, to video editing, to networking,
you name, I've got it...you on the other hand...you have NOTHING.
*shrugs* Just remember, I didn't make reality, I just beat you with
it.

Actually you don't have the work to back up your lies and bullshit,
you fuckin poser.

There are a whole variety of style of anime, some use a WHOLE LOT more
than 3 mouth positions, however in most cases the emotion in anime is
meant to be conveyed THROUGH THE EYES (and to a lesser extent the
hair/hair color), because of that the mouth/nose is purposefully made
smaller and more lip movements more subtle so as not to detract from
the eyes.

You obviously haven't seen ANY anime outside of the hacked up,
repackaged, Americanized garbage they show on Cartoon Network.
Coincidentally, most of the anime series they pick up, tend to be the
ones targeted towards kids (sans some of the stuff shown on adult swim
that's ~mostly~ uncut, like Cowboy Bebop.

Also, it's like some retard saying all black people look the
same...well, yeah, if you've had very little exposure to black people
and grew up in some backwards, hick run little racist run town...sure,
most black people probably do look the same to you. But if you're
INVOLVED with the people/culture and APPRECIATE IT then you start to
see that it's not all "black and white" and there is in fact a LOT of
difference between individual black people (or in this case individual
animes).

Basically what I'm saying...is that you're an art racist. ^_^

Art racists like you don't lead to anything other than hot air and a
bunch of poser driven failed dreams. Yer no artist kid...and you
probably never will be.

"I just hate seeing people chasing each other down the same path. It
doesn't lead to innovation."

Wow...how much of a stupid ass n00b retard do ya gotta be to
contradict yourself WITHIN TWO SENTENCES!

Cry...and then give up and run home, you stupid little failure. Gawd
I hate stupid ass poser n00bs. `, \

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:20:29 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

Wow, a moving text. How impressive!

That may be, but from what I remember, the edit was long and boring, and
didn't tell anything.

But, where is your recoloured WoO-dress? Never heard anything of that
anymore...

He'll be in good company with you then with your "Subtle_Animation" ;-)
Because that one contains more cheese than Holland can produce in a year.

--

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:52:06 +0100, Martin Heffels
<goofie@flikken.net> wrote:

Show me a similar example of that effect. Wait, no, even better, show
me YOUR OWN example of that effect. Yeah...fail...and hey, feel bad
about it too. ^_^

Well it's a bit genre specific, if yer a fan of the show(s) then
you'll get all the references and it'll make more sense. In this case
though I'm presenting them merely from a technical standpoint, not
from a subjective critique seeking one.

Yeah I kinda got caught up with this:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/

My endeavors tend to revolve around those who most enjoy my work and
who are most vocal about it. As far as the Alice dress
recolor...well...there didn't seem to be much interest in it and the
other side couldn't even sum up the balls to produce their own using
their supposed magixal plugin.

Hey, I finally managed to get a negative critique on the new logo!
Granted it's a lil dimwitted and there doesn't seem to be any
motivation behind it outside of some failing effort at verbal
retribution...but uh...well it's nice to know I haven't completely
hammered out perfection to the point of completely shutting up all the
Hatter Addicts and wannabe Hatter Addicts. I tell ya what, the scary
thing is that even acting like a complete asshole isn't enough
anymore. I mean it used to be that's all I had to do to garner a
negative response to my work, but now...yeah...a lot of times I'll
rack up praise even from peeps I verbally hammer the fuck into the
wall. I think it's a good gauge of my skill though and I'm looking
forward to pushing myself to even higher levels this year.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:ki9ss2tv6vhqsj0ftvg3o0m4b2ms7m6c6f@4ax.com...

My friend your work is amatuer at best.. and very poor at worst. You were
gloating about the same horrid images two years ago. It is, simply horrible.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:28:56 GMT, "Elan Magavi"
<Elan@nomailnospam.com> wrote:

Which work, specifically? Oh and please, do try and formulate enough
NOT stupid to actually attempt an ARGUMENT to back up your fuckwitted
little failed attempt at blindly lashing out at me.

While you're at it, why don't you go ahead and post some of YOUR OWN
work...just so we can all get a good idea of what your basis of
comparison is. `, )

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
favorite c0ckflavor of the moment?

How many c0cks will it take to satisfy your c0ck cravings? First you go
after mine, my doggy's, malscribetard's, K-man's, Uncle Zed's, Mind
Brain's, DevMcKinHole's and now Magavi's.

You are a str8 up easy c0ckslurping slut.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:02:34 GMT, Henry Schmidt
<schmitty@nottelling.nope> wrote:

Sorry Porchy, but you've been replaced already:
http://www.backwater-productions.net...atform/Porchy/

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
violently into his mouth.

Diaperboi, what is your favorite c0ck flavor? MOnkey? Doggy? Mindbrain?

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:19:16 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

I did not make such an effect. Nor do I tend to do so. But that does not
mean I can have an opinion about your work :-)

[snip]
Well, I give you that one.

[...]
I was one of those with the "magixal plugins". Tell you what, in two months
it's time for the NAB again (http://www.nabshow.com/). So, make you way to
Las Vegas, and make sure you go past the Autodesk-booth. You'll see with
your own eyes that all your manual labour was for nought, as their demo's
whill show you how this recolouring can be done very easily.

[...]
What you need to understand that _your_ opinion about your work is not
important. As a potential client/employer, _I_ am the one who needs to
start drooling because your work is so special. But frankly, the bobbing
text doesn't really do it for me. It's so basic. You may get a boner out of
it, but I don't. Not even viagra would help me.
But the good thing is you see progres in your work. Plenty of people hit a
wal, and don't move forward anymore. But as long as you feel you are, keep
up the practising, and who knows where ou'll be in a couple of years :-)
--

I think it says more about the professionalism and good nature of those poor
people you seem to take such joy in trying to hammer .. that they are honest
and forthright enough to give you an unbiased opinion on your work, without
all the hammering that you tend to give others.

Mind you .. I've noticed that you've actually started to be almost nice to
me now Maybe I should count myself honored
--
Jeckyl

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:gadvs29bfa6ue13btb9iicb0vdi6qbl7hs@4ax.com...
ALL OF IT. You are a rank amateur.

Comparing your works to ANYTHING. You lose. I would not stoop so low as to
compare my work to the crap you posted and are still bragging about years
later. My friend if you spent as much time working as you do blowing terds
your work may get better. But I sincerely doubt you have the talent to go
much beyond the crap you have done.

"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12t02c4idcn0ree@corp.supernews.com...
As honored as you would be if you stepped in someone else's shit.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:12:28 +0100, Martin Heffels
<goofie@flikken.net> wrote:

You confuse "won't" with "can't".

LOL, you're right, you can't have an opinion. You CAN however have a
NONpinion if you like...although it'd be an exercise in pointless
stupidity at best.

Right...with their PREMADE demos...right...that none of you seem to be
able to reproduce...right...tell me...are you REALLY that fuckin
retarded? You sound like the kind of dribbling idiot who watches
those "As Seen On TV" ads and actually has the stupidity to think that
the product is going to work even half as good as the way it's being
presented under CONTROLLED circumstances.

LOL, actually it's the most important thing there is. If I didn't
care about my work, nor the quality...well it would CERTAINLY reflect
itself in the work, regardless of your dribbling little NONpinions.

Actually your reaction is the point. I was TRYING to go for subtlety.
And it is VERY often the NONpinion of n00bs that a lot of what they
see, effects wise, is some incredibly easy process that has more to do
with buying software or magixal plugins than it does about actual
skill or ingenuity. These froups however are NOT for the point of
LOOKING FOR CLIENTS, they're about THE TECHNICAL MERIT, ANALYSIS and
DISCUSSION of techniques, examples, works, etc. So to me, in THESE
FROUPS if you don't find the work to be high end or noteworthy...it's
because YOU ARE A NOOB and quite frankly, you don't ~really~
belong...at least not in the discussion. If you wanna sit on the
sidelines and keep yer fuckin mouth shut while those with the actual
skill wanna hammer it out, hey, that's fine...but don't be so
fuckwitted as to inflict your primate like understanding of video
editing and graphic design onto those of us professionals and artists
who are trying to have a "grown up" discussion. If I ask for PERSONAL
critiques that's one thing, but if I don't, that means I'm looking for
TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, in which case you should just keep your fuckin
mouth shut, n00b.

No matter where I am, it'll always be beyond your level of
understanding.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:13:19 GMT, "Elan Magavi"
<Elan@nomailnospam.com> wrote:

Your rank amateur attempts at verbal retribution are as laughable as
your pissy little fit throwing backpedal attempt.

That's a ~lovely~ backpedal, Junior. But these facts still remain:

1. You don't have any websites of your own to put up for comparison.

2. You have no actual arguments behind your accusations.

3. My sites collectively rack up MILLIONS of hits and just in the past
three months my Alexia rating has shot up over 900%.

4. For every lame witted attempt at trying to say my sites are no good
I can post links to ten that say otherwise (and coincidentally those
people actually have REASONS for liking them).

5. You are a VERY angry little snit filled tweenage muppet fuck.

6. Every time you post I laugh, because I know how much my incredible
level skill bothers the fuck out of you, especially when I throw out a
good level of egoism and bragging along with it.

7. You have nothing.

8 You ARE nothing.

9. Put it down.

10. You're done.

11. It's time for bed.

*Hatter takes lil Elan by the hand, changes her wet diaper and put her
in her crib for a much needed nap.*

I think maybe you'll be a bit less fussy after you have a nap, child.
^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:11:37 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

You seem to know people without knowing them. Interesting... :-)

Good. If you can't stand any criticism about your work, you have to realise
you will never excel in your work, as you will never work out how to
improve it.

You watch too much disclaimers with the tvc's ;-) A trained eye can see if
demo is a difficult one or not.

[...]
Of course you can have an opinion about your own work, but your own opinion
is NOT important when it comes to judging your work compared to that of
your peers.

[...]
Well, there is your problem. I will say this in words of your choice so you
will understand it better: your work is very mediocre. You wish you were a
professional, but you are not. If you seriously want to discuss your work,
you should first work on the way you discuss your work. Calling your peers
names, will quickly put them off, and you will stay blind, and never learn.
Really, a professional won't be interested in teaching you anything,
because of the way you talk.

Yep, you understand yourself very well: five steps beyond me :-))

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:52:37 +0100, Martin Heffels
<goofie@flikken.net> wrote:

Oh, oh, hey check this out, I woke up this morning and I'm PSYCHIC!

Okay, hang on...*channels psychic energy*...I predict...that lil Ass
Huffer...is gonna run the fuck at the mouth, won't actually post ANY
kind of arguments to back up ANY of his fuckwitted claims and will
utterly FAIL to provide ANY proof of his nonexistent skill!

^_^

Yup, I'm psychic now. I have gaydar too.

*Hatter waves his hand over Ass Huffer's stubby little head*

You seem to be...73% homosexual.

Well, it's nice to see you agree that your opinion is as worthless as
the shit I wiped from my ass this morning.

Well you be sure and let me know when you manage to find someone who
actually has the capability and comprehension to critique one of my
sites, mmmkay Ass Huffer? In the mean time I suppose you can keep
retarding off NONpinions based on who pissed in yer online Cheerios
and whether or not yer on the rag. You need a tampon, Marty? Cause I
bet Mara will give you one if you ask her.

Is this the same "trained eye" that can't even reproduce the same
results...AT ALL, on his own? Or are you speaking about the imaginary
lurker supporting you in email? Does he have the "trained eye"? Is
it like a ninjitsu move or something? Is it like...one must cross the
lake of fire and climb to the top of the great mountain and face the
ice weasels before j00 can mastar teh "trained eye"...snatch the
pebble from my hand, little grasshopper.

Or are you simply pulling shit out of yer ass again? Wait, wait, let
me use my psychic powers and find out.

*waves hand over Ass Huffer's head*

*suddenly starts beating Ass Huffer the fuck over the head whilst
screaming "WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID!"*

....yup, I was right, pulling shit out yer ass.

....now ya see, that reason alone is why you are, and always will be, a
FAILED little poser n00b.job wholly incapable of producing ANYTHING.
I mean the very idea of basing the entire worth of your effort on
random fuckin assholes is just...absolutely fucking retarded at best.
Here's a free cl00 for ya, Bumbles...this shit is an art, and REAL
artists don't make art for other people, THEY MAKE IT FOR
THEMSELVES...and if some other people pass along and they like it too,
hey, all the better. But NO REAL ARTIST would take the effort to try
and cater their creative efforts to the drooling, little, group think,
sheeple, bitch whiners who hate their work.

See, again, there's you with a drooling little accusation, a random
NONpinion, presented it a COMPLETELY subjective and inconsequential
manner, with NO basis of comparison AT ALL...and yer basically having
a snit cause, well damn...I just can't seem to fucking care. o_O
*shrugs*

It's like, Oooo...the retard whose produced all of...NOTHING...pops
the fuck up on Usenet and whines that my sites are "mediocre". Here's
a free cl00 for ya, Ass Huffer...the NINE HUNDRED FUCKING PERCENT
INCREASE in my Alexia stats over the past three months seem to pretty
much just bitch slap you right the fuck across the face with how
retarded you are. Boy that sure must be a bitch, innt?

And really, if you think THIS:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/care-bears/

Is somehow MORE mediocre than this (a professionally created site):
http://www.care-bears.com/CareBears/html/index.html

....yeah...I'd say it's pretty obvious that yer just seekin a lil bit
of Hatter retribution there, Kiddo. My advice...try not to be so
fuckin transparent about it, mmmkay?

No, actually I'm an artist, not a professional, guess ya musta just
missed my .sig there, Bumbles.

Yeah, if I act really nice and humble then I can get ALL SORTS of ass
slurping and circle jerking good fun!

Sorry kiddo, but unlike you I'm not some failed little ego, so I
really don't require any senseless slurpage. I mean essentially what
you're trying to whine is that if I'm nice to you, you'll respond
with:

"Your site looks great!"

Instead of:

"Your site looks mediocre."

....free cl00, my lil failure, BOTH THOSE NONPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS!

WRONG!

By being egotistical and attackful I can push people into a corner and
force them into an adversarial, combative and offensive stance. At
that point, the target will do EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY CAN to try and
"get back" or "show up" the person. Now here's the neat trick, Ass
Huffer...those with no level of skill, those who just run the fuck at
the mouth, those like yourself...when YOUR pushed into a corner...you
can't counter with fuck all more than, "Your site is mediocre."

Where as someone of *MY* level of skill and expertise...well...this is
what happens when *I* get pushed into a corner:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2...47f3ee736bd86a

He, he, he...now don't you wish you had that ability? Don't you wish
you actually had the knowledge and intelligence to rip apart my sites
based on PURE TECHNICAL FUNCTION, CAPABILITY and USABILITY...see if ya
had that ability...you woulda used it by now, Kiddo. Those with
skill, those like SpaceGirl and Jeckyl...they're ALWAYS quick to
hammer the hard facts in an argument.

And then you can use those UBER HARSH critiques to further your work
to a level that you would have NEVER been able to reach otherwise.
See when you piss someone off and corner them...well if they got the
skill, they're not just gonna critique yer sites, they're gonna
critique them at a GOD LEVEL form of expectation. Hell, I've hammered
some peeps so bad they've actually gone so far as to try and hold me
accountable for SINGLE PIXEL LEVEL ERRORS.

For a retard like you, you show up in some froup, lickin everyone's
ass and then you present your work...which at best garnishes a few
halfassed circle jerk compliments and then that's it...YOU DON'T LEARN
FROM THAT, you stupid fuckin poser. And since you're *SO* nice and
humble, well the REAL professionals are NOT even gonna bother with
you, why should they? I mean that'd be like beating up a retarded kid
fer fuck sake. At most yer gonna get a pat on the head, a cookie and
then you'll be passed along like lil Johnny Flunk who got As for
having a positive 'attitude'. Sorry kiddo, but yer very much apart of
the Barney generation and because of that you'll never be anything
more than a stupid poser.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:19:09 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

You call that bobbing-letter thing, art? I have seen paintings made by
monkeys and elephants which qualify for Art, but this is hardly worth to be
called art. Your work is the work of a beginner.

Of course you have an increase in hits, because you mention the link, and
everybody is curious and wants to know what the others are laughing or
quibling about. You don't need to be a rocket-scientist to figure out the
increase :-)

*yawn* I can't stand the long download time. Besides, a professional
creates a website which is accesible to a multitude of browsers and
platforms. Limiting yourself to Flash is very amateurish, as you cut-out a
lot of potential people who might watch your site.

Ah well, many great artist was recognized after their death....

No, you misunderstand me. If you're work is mediocre, I will tell you
regardlesly, but if you're a nice person, I'll tell you why I think it is.
Can't be bothered to type it out now :-)

I see you have never ventured out in forums where professionals attend.
People with an attitude like your's won't last long, and you won't
definetly be fed information to improve your work.

Well, I just gave you two reasons why the Scarebears are not that great.

You are among the wrong kind of people if they act like that. My work get's
seriously criticised, and I love to hear comments, good or bad, because I
learn from all of them. You need to get out of the door a bit, and talk
with real people about your work. Fuming behind your keyboard won't really
do it. You will learn nothing.

"Martin Heffels" <goofie@flikken.net> wrote

artist. I've never seen him involvedin a Usenet conversation about art,
especially professional art, i.e. art that allows you to earn a living,
where at some point, he didn't reveal himself to be completely clueless.

If he wants to make a fool of himself, get out of the way. He's good at
playing the fool, and degenerate into ad hominim attacks. Do you believe
what he writes?

Fred Doyle

Yah, their site is way better...

I have posted 2 times, none of them have seemed to go up for some
reason...
basically... to the extent of alice over here is a raving idiot. And
what kind of freak are you to be an adult... you are an adult right??
and be obsessed with the care bears.

in the end.... alice(the mmaaad hatter) is the ted stevens of design.
congratulations.

Yah, their site is way better...

I have posted 2 times, none of them have seemed to go up for some
reason...
basically... to the extent of alice over here is a raving idiot. And
what kind of freak are you to be an adult... you are an adult right??
and be obsessed with the care bears.

in the end.... alice(the mmaaad hatter) is the ted stevens of design.
congratulations.