New to web design, and new to this group. I'm using Dreamweaver to
design a website and was wondering if anyone had advice on whether
putting a table within a table is good design practice. I'm kind of
stuck because I'm trying to achieve a certain look, but can't figure
out how to "code" it.

allthingscreative@gmail.com arranged shapes to form:

whoa! stop right there. Draw the design up in photoshop/illustrator
pen/paper first, make sure you've thought about 'stretchyness' for various
monitor sizes (or not), then replicate the design into dreamweaver.

Tables are generally frowned upon for layout (post your question into
alt.html or alt.www.webmaster...) as they aren't semantically correct, and
don't provide a good separation of code and content. Have a look into CSS
techniques, it really produces cleaner, more manageable, more accessible
code :-)

BUT if you have-to / want-to use tables, then tables inside tables is
generally faster to render than one big complex table and helps break the
page into chunks, and is much easier to update.

What's the certian type of look? any examples out there, or mockups you've
done? I'm sure someone could explain how to achieve it.

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Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:15:39 +0000, Davémon <"davémon"@nospam.com>
wrote:

I think the recent rash of web coding related questions/posts may be
because of my presence...I know for awhile there were a shit load of
blogger and webbie boards that were stealing and cross copying various
threads of mine when I was having a lil romp through alt.html, even
after I started snipping alt.html and keeping such threads to A26 they
started picking up on them. Seems like since all that whatever froup
I happen to be most active in will have a noticeable increase in web
coding oriented posts. I ain't answerin any questions for free
anymore though unless it's for someone on my level or if I'm in a
debate in such a matter.

Beyond that if some n00b asks for something, fuck, they can PAY ME for
the solution. I don't think it's being petty either, hell, back in
2000 when I was working in tech support for Sykes and they created a
special account just for me called "third-party hardware and software
solutions" it used to cost callers twenty fuckin dollars a "solution".
You bought a printer...can't figure out how to install it...gettin the
run around from the printer manufacturer and the computer
manufacturer...yeah, you give me a call, I'll get that sum'bitch
workin for ya...for a price.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
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http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


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"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote

LOL, LOL, LOL. There is no projection of what you wish is going on , now is
it? That's why I love having you around the group! Nobody makes me laugh at
them like you.

Self-awareness is not really your strong suit, is it? Too much time on the
Internet, perhaps?

Fred Doyle

Thanks for the helpful hints. I do have the layout done in
Illustrator-but I'm having trouble translating that to something more
web friendly. I will try the other groups that you mentioned. Thanks!

allthingscreative@gmail.com arranged shapes to form:

Ok, great! Can you export it as a JPEG and then post it on-line? That way
people have something to refer to and it might help them describe what to
do.


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Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/

So, promise not to laugh (or at least laugh to yourself):

Here is the link to what it's SUPPOSED to look like:

http://baby.allthingscreative.us/jpgs/baby_800b.jpg

Here is the link to what it looks like now:

http://baby.allthingscreative.us/

I think I know how to tweak the top bar and get the colors right. But
the left nav bar and the main part of the page is driving me nuts. I
tried using a table, but that made all the alignment weird. And I
can't figure out how to get those fine lines that separate the nav
buttons in the left bar.

allthingscreative@gmail.com arranged shapes to form:

? looks like a perfectly servicable design to me!

cool.

Ok - firstly put all the header stuff into a table by itself (logo,
navigation etc.)

Merge the cells on the body! just have a table with 1 row and 2 columns. In
the left column have your nav bar stuff. In the right column put in a table
to arrange the other stuff that goes in there.

create another table at the bottom with all the footer (privacy policy,
copyright etc.)stuff in it.

so we've got 3 tables - header, navigation+body, and footer.


??? !

Make a little 1 pixel gif of the colour you've got, and put it after each
button in the nav bar. Personally I'd use css to put a 1 pixel border on
the bottom, but nevermind.


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Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/

ooh! great advice. thanks so much for your help. I think I was
headed in the same direction that you suggested (3 tables) but I may
have made it more complicated than necessary. good idea on the 1 pixel
gif. not sure i have the know-how to use css.

Davémon wrote: