www.cb-design.net

Much darker gray. Quick and dirty change for testing purposes.
I may even let the buttons stay light gray, the way they are.

Hi Kitty,
I'm not very satisfied for the background use. In addition I must say that I
perceive a flickering monitor effect with my laptop *LCD monitor of course
:-)* and this is due to the background stripes.
I think that many works of Joshua Davis are real examples how to use few
colours, stay with simplicity and elegance, and find solution that have a
very 'techy' look. I think that all these ingredients can make a design very
appealing for your audience.

take a look, I hope this help you to find greater inspirations:

http://www.joshuadavis.com/
http://flashtothecore.praystation.com/

--
Davide(e) Montellanico



"DaKitty" <Imgonna.com@something.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Davide, what's with all the Flash links? As far as web technology goes,
Flash died about 18 months ago.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com




"Davide Montellanico" <latinsoul@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for those links. They're nice.
I'm not going to get into critiquing them.

"Davide Montellanico" <latinsoul@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Davide, please. There are lots of ways to integrate a database into your
website that don't include Flash.

Use Flash. Go to Jail. That's the Law.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com




"Davide Montellanico" <latinsoul@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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In article <9vBPa.50364$3o3.3339692@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Dan@FreelanceWorkshops.com says...
And what "law" is that?

Just like any other tool, Flash has it's place...as long as it isn't
abused.

-Ed

--
****************************
Edward Wedig
Graphic Designer - Web Designer - Gamemaster - Nice Guy
www.docbrown.net
****************************

News doesn't seem to have reached the NY Times, Rolling Stone, Disney, ABC
TV, ESPN, Hewlett Packard, Absolute Vodka, Porsche, Mini Cooper, Nike and a
whole raft of other Fortune 500 companies who are still developing web sites
that integrate Flash

Fred


"Dan" <Dan@FreelanceWorkshops.com> wrote in message
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Fred: Of the "Flash" sites you have listed, only Absolute Vodka and Mini
Cooper require the Flash Plug-in to fully view their sites. So you're two
for ten in *your own* examples.

I keep Flash totally disabled. ALL of the others loaded just fine, no holes.
Even today's ads were non-flash.

Giant media companies don't want to alienate today's adolescent geeks --
they throw 'em a little Flash and let 'em go find it. For the rest of the
world, Flash doesn't exist -- nor should it -- ESPECIALLY on the major
sites.

The overwhelming majority of Fortune 500 sites rely on HTML and CSS. No
Flash is required, although, yes, you may dig and find some. You keep trying
to build your case on EXCEPTIONS and ANOMALIES.

Why argue with me? If you think you know better, why don't you contact the
major corporations and ask *them* why they've stripped Flash off their pages
and are no longer using it in the context you think they should? While
you're at it, go ahead and ask them what their future plans are for Flash.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

TURN FLASH OFF. Is your surfing experience better or worse? How?





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I didn't say they were using all-Flash sites. Hybrid sites are a very good
idea. That is part of the power of Flash. It can be easily integrated into
more traditional web pages. If what you were saying is that all-Flash sites
are dead, I'd probably take it even further and say that I'm not sure they
were ever alive. If that is what you meant, please clarify your opinion.
That is a far cry from saying Flash as a tool for deliverying sound, motion,
multimedia and interactivity over the web is dead. I may be reading things
into your statements "As far as web technology goes, Flash died about 18
months ago," and "Use Flash. Go to Jail. That's the Law," that you do not
mean. If so, I apologize and the rest of this message is probably not
relevant as it is based on a misunderstanding of your original statements.

If you mean Flash is dead as a web technology, and want a counter opinion
that is backed up with some examples and facts, read on.

Your response is reading a lot into the few words I wrote. I said many
outstanding companies have not heard that Flash is dead (your comment) in
that they are still using and developing Flash and have incorporated it into
their sites. You said it was dead, sounding, to me, like it has stopped
being used by anyone with knowledge about web design and deployment. If I am
misreading your opinion, please clarify. I simply pointed out that it still
is quite alive and doing well, thank you, making me 10 for 10 on my purpose
for citing those web sites. (cite sites?) I gave you some examples to back
up my opinion. And you?

Your unsubstantiated opinion, again. NY Times is hardly adolescent geek
oriented and yet they use it constantly in advertising because of its
ability to attract attention on the page and convey sound and motion very
efficiently. Disney hardly appeals to adolescent geeks, yet Disney knows
about multimedia's ability to entertain children and families. Their site is
a great example of an appropriate use of Flash for its products and
audiences.

Back up for this opinion comes from where? I would agree that many do not
know they are viewing Flash because the plug-in is virtually ubiquitous, but
it still exists for them

I agree that the majority of F500 sites will not rely on Flash and probably
shouldn't. I never said they did. Again you are reading some strange things
into the very few words I wrote. I did mean that there are more than a few
exceptions and anomolies among large and sophisticated companies that
continue to use Flash and I'll stand by that statement. I be glad to provide
you with some more examples to back up that statement and show you that they
are not just exceptions and anomolies, if you'd like.

The figure I see most often is that 7% of all web sites use Flash in some
form. I suspect, but can't cite statistics that those sites using Flash tend
to be higher end organizations that can afford to enhance their sites with
Flash. That is not an insubstaintial number of web sites, given the total
number of sites on the web. You said Flash was dead 18 months ago. It simply
isn't. It is very well used by many very sophisticated marketing
organizations for many very good reasons, as I pointed out. Not all. Not
even a majority. But for many it is an effective way to communicate, and it
is far from dead.


Which corporations are you talking about? Personallly, I'm not aware of any.
I've cited many that are still using it effectively. You've yet to cite a
company that stopped using it because they feel it is dead. All you have
done is stated your opinion as if that were fact.

I don't think I had stated a context in which Flash should be used. Once
again you are reading much into very few written words


Sure, I'd be glad to. Are you privy to what their answers would be? If you
are, please enlighten us. You state your opinion as if you certain of the
answers but fail to back it up with specifics.

Worse, in my opinion. It is much, much less entertaining. Just a personal
opinion, but it would make a very interesting statisitcal study for
marketing. Maybe I'll pass it along to a grad student.


--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com

Raining here. Sunny southern California has some advantages, no doubt

Nah, this really is easy.

Well, you've expressed an opinion. That's a little different.

Have a nice sunny afternoon. Enjoy the good weather.


--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com


"Dan" <Dan@FreelanceWorkshops.com> wrote in message
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Hi Dan,
The issue is not about database integration with front end, but is about
powerful web application development. to accomplish this task you need to
create a real application interface. Are you able to develope an online
nultiplayer game by other means?

--
Davide Montellanico


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Davide wrote:


True enough, but you digress. Someone, it may have been you, recently posted
some logos for critique....in Flash. Those didn't require Flash and response
was lessened because of it. This thread was about color changes to an HTML
page and you cited some Flash pages. Flash is seen in such a negative light
that I questioned your judgment....and here we are.

If you feel that Flash is your only option in any given situation, I would
seriously look at redesigning to take advantage of more accessible and
acceptable technology.

Flash has had plenty of time to catch on. It didn't. Web developers have had
more than enough opportunity to embrace it. They haven't. Dedicated Flash
fans have had years to create marvelous examples of Flash-driven sites. Only
a handful exist, and not even died-in-the-wool devotees can agree on which
ones they are.

It's OVER. Maybe in 10 years there will be a little retro-revival and
collectors will gather in their Edsels to lovingly gaze upon stunningly
amateur animations. Believe me, at least half of the attendees will be
saying, "What the hell were we thinking?!"

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com






"Davide Montellanico" <latinsoul@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Dan" <Dan@FreelanceWorkshops.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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I posted my logos in Flash because I developed it using Freehand and a
vectorial output will be more accetable in terms of quality than a bitmapped
one. Logos are intended for print and then.....
Anyway I agree with you, response was lessened because of the swf output.
Next time I will consider this issue *may be I will create alternative pages
for the bitmap files*

Sorry Dan but may be there are some misunderstanding....I cited this Flash
sites only to give a web design example, I cited the STYLE not the mean used
to produce it *is not my fault if I love Joshua Davis' works that use
primarly Flash*.
Is not a way to discredit html and CSS technology, personally I'm now very
interested in it and I'm reading a lot of book to learn more about these
techniques. I'm in touch with a woman that have very strong skills in CSS,
XHTML, RSS.... she develope beautiful project that are all properly
validated and I like a lot her approach to web design. I try to learn what I
don't know well from the others. May be in the future you could give me some
help in these topics....

The only thing I disagree with you *anyway life is more exciting when we can
share different opinions :-) *
is the fact that I consider Flash a very good technology into the hands of
hybrid visual designers *with hybrid I mean visual designers with a good
understanding of OOP language* to develope beautiful and amazingly user
interfaces.

I must underline the word: user INTERFACES.

Cheers :-)

Have a great day.

--
David(e) Montellanico

Davide wrote:

one. Logos are intended for print and then.....<<<

You can save to gif or jpeg from Freehand. It's reliable technology, easy to
get good quality and 100% acceptable. One of the goals of good logo design
is that they are easily reproduced *everywhere.*

for the bitmap files*<<<

This is the part I don't get. Why would you start by making a page that
isn't viewable by everyone, then make a second page that is? Why not just
make a page everyone can see to begin with?

like a lot her approach to web design.<<<

There you go, now you're on the right track. Those are worthwhile skills to
develop.

OOP language*<<<

Probably true as you have stated. But those cats are so rare, and the demand
for their work is so scarce that few companies are willing to make the
investment. There are far cheaper, quicker, more reliable, attractive
technologies already in place.

The market has already taken care of Flash.

You too! Thanks for writing.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com






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