Don'tcha hate it when you program something and then later you come
back to it and you can't for the life of you figure out how the fuck
it works?

Case in point:

: onLoad()
: {
: var mm:Object = new Object();
: mm.onMouseMove = function()
: {
: changes = _root.frame_box_1.message_sizer._height - 40;
: scale_position = _root.frame_box_1.scroll_bar._y - 55;
: maxfact = ( _root.frame_box_1.message._height - _root.frame_box_1.message_sizer._height ) / (-1 * changes);
: _root.frame_box_1.message.sub._y = scale_position * maxfact;
: };
: Mouse.addListener(mm);
: }
: on (press)
: {
: scroll_x = _root.frame_box_1.scroll_bar._x;
: scroll_bottom = _root.scroll_top + 100 + ( _root.frame_box_1.message_sizer._height - _root.start_frame_size );
: scroll_bar.startDragLocked(scroll_x,scroll_x,_root .scroll_top,scroll_bottom);
:
: }
: on (release) { scroll_bar.stopDrag(); }
: on (releaseOutside) { scroll_bar.stopDrag(); }

I'm trying to remember what the hell that 40 and 55 number are all
about. Since the scroll bar is supposed to be variable depending on
the initial size of the screen it doesn't seem like there should be
any actual solid numbers. I've modified the starting variable set in
order to have it with different starting window sizes and it doesn't
seem to affect it so...I dunno...maybe it's the distance from the top
of the window bar...but then that's only 25 pixels high, not
40...hrmmm...what a fuckin bother. Oh well, it works, maybe I should
just leave it alone and be happy with it. *shrugs*

Problem is I need to add in some more functionality and knowing how
the fuck it works would kind of help in that endeavor...bother...

I tell ya, that's the last fuckin time I program on only four hours of
sleep in a forty eight hour span.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter took a can of maroon spray paint on July 25, 2007 11:15
pm and wrote the following:


Classic reason why you will never make it in the real world of programming,
magic numbers need comments in line. Most logic can be figured out, but
those numbers come back to bite you in the ass.
--
Lits Slut #9
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:15:20 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

Okay, I think I figured em out. The 55 number is the starting point
of the scroll bar, well, not directly since it's center positioned,
but the scroll bar covers the area starting at 55.

The 40 number...I don't think that's needed at all, I think I need to
just change:
: (-1 * changes)
to:
: -100
....and it should work exactly the same way...I think.

Anywho, I'll have a new prototype of the whole thing up pretty soon,
which will have some sample message loads including images and text
portions and it'll feature a working vertical scroll bar.

I haven't yet decided if I want a horizontal scroll bar. Part of me
likes the idea of having like a minimum box size based on a 72
character width, so even if you resize the window larger the text will
still remain at 72 characters...but then the problem with that is what
happens if you use a larger font, because then 72 characters will take
up a larger portion of the screen...but then I could set it to wrap I
suppose...hmmm...decisions, decisions...

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:21:28 GMT, FrozenNorth
<frozennorth123@gmail.com> wrote:

Um, that's actually a good thing. I normally leave out most all
comments and make my code as complex as possible...in order to hide it
right in the open. Hence the reason I can post my source code to the
perfect liquid site:
http://www.backwater-productions.net.../JS_Source.txt

....but then no one is actually able to replicate it in any meaningful
way. It's *WAY* too easy to decompile Flash files and there's no way
I want all my hard work and effort to just be picked up by some
thieving ass fuck like that Damien Oliver guy. I suppose if you're
just some dumbfuck nobody whose not producing anything that hasn't
already been done countless times it doesn't much matter, but for the
level I code on...yeah...you gotta protect your code somehow.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
Clearly total rubbish. If you cannot even work our your OWN code, the
zero commenting of your code has just bitten you on the backside

BTW... why on Earth are you coding in AS2? Why on Earth are you using
_root ??? FFS... Flash programming 101, go back to school LOL.

Okay teasing aside, forget about Flash decompilers. To be honest, unless
you are producing something large and commercial and *unique*, people
won't want to steal your code. Why would they? Nobody is going to steal
your liquid design because there are a lot better examples out there
worth stealing. Even if they DID steal it, it's not actually that
straight forwards to rip AS from inside of Flash and end up with
anything meaningful. Especially AS3.

Easy to decompile, not so easy to understand. Now everything is class
based, it gets compile in a very strange order, and most of the vars etc
are abstracted. By the time you work out what someone's code is doign
you could have re-written it.

You worry to much, you don't have anything worth stealing yet. And no,
you do not need to protect your code if it's going online and being
delivered to a client; it's a waste of energy because if someone really
wants to steal it they will, regardless of what you want to do. Best
thing to do, keep some of your code server side. Use Flex to generate
some of your Flash movie on the fly; no code is delivered at all to the
client, all they see is the output... so there is nothing to decompile,
and nothing that can be stolen. Use a webeservice to inject MC's into
your movie; again nothing is kept on the client so nothing can be
decompiled.


--

x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

http://www.northleithmill.com

-.-

Kammy has a new home: http://www.bitesizedjapan.com

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:49:29 +0100, SpaceGirl
<nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:

Well, even if there were comments it wouldn't have helped much, the
fact is it's just a really, really, REALLY complicated form. I'm
essentially reverse engineering parts of the Windows operating system
in Flash. Simply put, no one has ever done what I'm currently working
on. It's not simply about creating user moveable objects in Flash,
it's about actually recreating Windows functionality in Flash, with
the ability to create your own custom Flash applications and have them
loaded into my Flash Windows form (hopefully I won't get sued for it).

You missed the SwishMax 101 class, go back to school, honey bunny,
seems you missed a few courses. Coding in SwishMax is not always
identical to what you would use in Adobe/Macromedia Flash. There is a
new BETA SwishMax version which I believe supports coding in AS3,
however it's only a prototype for bug testing at this point.

And no, I won't switch from SwishMax, I'd be sacrificing too much as
far as ease of construction with imported graphical elements.
SwishMax's interface is VASTLY superior to Adobe/Macromedia's form.
Just for starters:
http://www.backwater-productions.net...raps/Where.png

Well, my reversed engineered Windows form is wholly unique and hasn't
ever been created by anyone, anywhere, so I'd say it's worth stealing.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure there are some people who have thoroughly
studied the decompilation process and can accurately recreate the
original code fairly quickly, again, I'll use Damien Oliver as a
perfect example.

I'm fairly certain you're wrong on that one, I believe there's some
type of MMS hack that will let you get the Flash data off the server.
*shrugs*

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Jul 26, 10:32 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:
Nya... hehe. Well I have had training from Macromedia and Adobe. I
have a one week course with Adobe in October in advanced coding in
AS3... I'm a bit scared

I had forgotten you work with SwishMax, so I take it back, sorry!

BTW I don't code inside Flash at all, I code in DW CS3 as external .as
files so that we can reuse functions and classes across all of our
projects.

That's what Illustrator is for.

There's an outline view like that in Flash too, but I tend not to use
it as everything we do is coded. All the design work is done in
PhotoShop and Illustrator.

*shrug* I dont loose sleep if people steal our code. Hell if they
think my code is worth stealing I'm pleased... or they are really
stupid

Possibly. I can think of a few ways to circumvent most of the security
if you've not crafted your WS well, or just tried to build in security
at the end of a project. Buta gain, this is the Internet we're talking
about, and in reality NOTHING is secure. So long as critical data
(like, user stuff, or creditcards etc) is secure, the rest doesn't
matter.

on Wednesday 25 July 2007 08:15 pm, someone posing as Onideus Mad Hatter
took a rock and etched into the cave:

Nope.

Never happens.

It *used* to happen back in the late '80s and early '90s, when I didn't know
what I was doing, but I've been commenting the shit out of pretty much
everything lately.

For example, I just wrote this line a few minutes ago...


----------

// Based on the server selected, get the groups from the database and
// list them.
String tempServer = cboServerList.getSelectedItem() + "";
refreshGroupList( tempServer );
----------


I'm sure I'll know exactly what that means in five years if I ever go back
to look.

If you don't comment your code then you're in for a world of hurt when it
comes time to fix *that bug* which crept in after a couple of years and
suddenly fucks up whatever routine you desperately need working right now.


--
www.perfectreign.com

on Wednesday 25 July 2007 09:36 pm, someone posing as Onideus Mad Hatter
took a rock and etched into the cave:


Uh, yeah.

In that case, I'd suggest you code in whitespace...

http://spacesharp.batard.info/

They even have an IML compiler.




--
www.perfectreign.com

PerfectReign wrote:
Talk about pointless. And how does this help Flash, which we were
talking about?


--

x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

http://www.northleithmill.com

-.-

Kammy has a new home: http://www.bitesizedjapan.com

PerfectReign wrote:
/*
I know... he's insane. Not commenting your code is just madness. May as
well write his site in Swahili -- at least it would deter the odd
hacker. #rolls her eyes#
*/

with (hatter_san) {
addComments(commentsAreEssential); // repeat until it sinks in
}

--

x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

http://www.northleithmill.com

-.-

Kammy has a new home: http://www.bitesizedjapan.com

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:15:28 +0100, SpaceGirl
<nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:

Comments aren't needed if you're programming in your own style and you
make everything work off variables with clear names. Really, the only
time I ever use comments is if I have "hard numbers" and then I also
usually use them as code section descriptions, like I used on the
liquid site:
http://www.backwater-productions.net.../JS_Source.txt

That's more than enough for me to figure out my code very quickly...I
have a genius level intellect though, so that method may not cut it
for everybody.

I also use them TEMPORARILY as I'm building a site until I've refined
the form enough to where it doesn't need them...except for those times
when I've been up for like 20+ hours straight with no sleep, then I
tend to fudge a little.

To me, if you're relying heavily on comments to figure out your
code...you coded it wrong. Comments are important in the initial
BUILDING process, but otherwise, no (unless you're using funny
variable names).

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Jul 27, 1:59 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
productions.net> wrote:

"Hard number"?

You mean constants?

Well that's fine, but that code is ultra simple and flat. If you're
dealing with 1000s of lines of code, across multiple classes things
get complicated very quickly.

As far as I know comments are stripped when AS compiles (at least in
AS3) so it's a none issue. So long as you are the only person working
on a project, you comment it any way you need to so long as the thing
works. It's personal choice

If you are a solo coder, you may not need to comment often. However in
most projects commenting your code is more of a requirement than a
"nice to have"; you're not the only person working on the code.

Here's some code from a project I'm working on, with comments removed.
It's not that complicated (I'm not a hardcore programmer at all), but
this is one of about 40 lumps of code in this site so far, and they
all call each other...

var currentCharacter:String;
var kammy_mc:kameko = new kameko();
var sayDelay:int = 1;
var thisSayDelay:int;
var kammyIsTalking:Boolean = false;
var bubbleDelay:int = 100;

function kammySay(sayThis:String,emote:String) {

if (kammyIsTalking == false) {
kammyIsTalking = true;
kammy_mc.kammyTextHidden.autoSize = TextFieldAutoSize.LEFT;
kammy_mc.kammyTextHidden.text = sayThis;
kammy_mc.kammyTextHidden.visible = false;
kammy_mc.bubble_mc.height = kammy_mc.kammyTextHidden.height + 50;
var bubbleX = new Tween(kammy_mc.bubble_mc, "width",
Elastic.easeOut, 250, 500, 1.5, true);
var bubbleY = new Tween(kammy_mc.bubble_mc, "hieght",
Elastic.easeOut, kammy_mc.kammyTextHidden.height / 2,
kammy_mc.kammyTextHidden.height + 50, 1.5, true);

kammy_mc.kammyText.autoSize = TextFieldAutoSize.LEFT;
kammy_mc.kammyText.text = "";

var sayThisArray:Array = new Array;
var placeInArray:int = 0;

var i:int;
for (i=0; i < sayThis.length; i++) {
sayThisArray[i] = sayThis.charAt(i);
}

kammy_mc.kammyFace_mc.addEventListener(Event.ENTER _FRAME, aniMouth);

function aniMouth(e:Event) {

if (thisSayDelay == sayDelay) {
kammy_mc.kammyText.appendText(sayThisArray[placeInArray]);
switch (sayThisArray[placeInArray]) {
kammy_mc.mouth_Default.scaleX = 1;
kammy_mc.mouth_Default.scaleY = 1;
}

placeInArray++;
thisSayDelay = 0;
} else {
thisSayDelay++;
}
if (placeInArray == sayThisArray.length) {
kammy_mc.kammyFace_mc.removeEventListener(Event.EN TER_FRAME,
aniMouth)
kammy_mc.mouth_Default.scaleX = 1;
kammy_mc.mouth_Default.scaleY = 1;
kammyIsTalking = false;
}
}
}
}

FrozenNorth wrote:
That was some brutal self-ownage on Fat Matt's part!