Fred Doyle wrote:
Keep in mind that in German 'Designer' and 'Grafik-Designer' are
different professions. 'Design' just relates to the construction of
objects, A Designer has to know about ergonomics in the first line
rather than good use of colours. One who creates logos, posters, etc.
is a Grafik-Designer. Starck is not that.

(Phillippe Starck is a Frenchman, but the interview, the article refers
to, was published in German.)

http://www.zeit.de/2008/14/Designer-Starck-14

Other quotes are:
"The most important thing I created, is probably not a special object
but a new definition of the word 'Design'." (Read my words above)
"I produced materiality in the past, in the future I will produce
concepts rather. That will be more useful."


Willi

"Fred Doyle" <fdoyle1@nycap.rr.com> schreef in bericht
news:47f18abe$0$6145$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Unless inflation gets to it first, or a crash, recession etc.
I see my value that I saved deflate like a balone.
It's a great inverntion to scam the workers.

No it isn`t, it's an illusion, your money you have saved until now
can be worth a pack of crisps by the time you retire, it has happened
before.

Yep, you ca but you assume you need a moneysystem to begin with.

A moneyless system.

Money is a human invention and we could do without it.

You don`t get the concept of no money.

"Fred Doyle" <fdoyle1@nycap.rr.com> schreef in bericht
news:h4ydnQdY--V7NG7anZ2dnUVZ_ramnZ2d@universityofalbany...
Okay, you may have all the gold and money in the world.
As long as I may have the last water and food.
Good luck with your money. ;o)

salami met bami wrote:
Yeah, life has risks. No doubt about it.

But I ask myself which risk would I rather take; money will continue to
hold some value so I can take care of myself how I choose when I can no
longer work, or that people will give me the things I want and need in a
moneyless system when I can no longer work?

Hmmm. Both have risks. The value of what I've saved or invested in can
evaporate. In moneyless system, people can decide to change the rules of
a moneyless system, or change what "benefits" they think I deserve.


Yup, I said it isn't 100% perfect. But in times where goods and services
available aren't able to meet demand, things seem more likely to change
in ways that aren't in my favor if I can't work and produce in your
"moneyless" system, not less likely. Times of scarcity and hardship will
still happen in a moneyless system, won't they?


So explain how it works. Just what is your "moneyless" system? YOu talk
about it but you don't explain how it works.

Um, that paragraph was about "time" not money.

You're right, I don't get it and you've not explained int, only declared
it. I'd be glad to read an explanation of how it would work.

Fred

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 05:21:17 -0700, Fred Doyle wrote
(in article <47f8c05b$0$22868$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>):


He can't tell you how it works because he does not know how it works.

":^)

Mike
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"ArtistMike" <mike@artistmike.com> schreef in bericht
news:0001HW.C42326CC0027AED8F03055D0@news.verizon. net...
Oh I know how it works, but it is better when people seriously think for
themselves how
it works , otherwise it will be an endless "why that wouldn`t work"
discussion.
I am not going into that again. And when people seriously think for it
themselves
and in their head try to make it work, you get a more positive result.
Did you think how It could work instead of how it wojn`t work, or haven`t
you given it any thought, and you just find yourself funny and need to make
a remark?

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:00:09 -0700, salami met bami wrote
(in article <480114c8$0$1981$e4fe514c@dreader28.news.xs4all.nl >):


It is your topic, not mine. If you want people to understand your ideas then
you have to explain those ideas. You can't reasonably expect people to
mind-read your thoughts.

If you want to spread your ideas then you have to communicate those ideas.
Unless you are not really clear yourself on how to explain your ideas,
because you really don't know what you are talking about.

":^)

Mike

"ArtistMike" <mike@artistmike.com> schreef in bericht
news:0001HW.C4272BB9000B2FB9F02845D0@news.verizon. net...
I don`t have to do anything, where did you get that idea?
Why does everybody think that they get a fastfood meal everything ready
cooked for them? Shall I chew it for you too? Come on.
You can only make a stupid oneliner and think you are funny. Well
you are not. And don`t worry, I won`t tell you, simply because you
would`nt, sorry, couldn`t grasp the concept to begin with.

As boogery (been with two sick kiddos today, so I'm stuck in
"self-censoring" mode) as ArtistMike can be, he's got a very, very valid
point.

You'd like to see the world change, yes? For the better? And you think you
have a better way of seeing things, thinking about things, doing things?
Then you have to spread the word and communicate your thoughts to others.

You may change, in some very, very small part, YOUR lifestyle with your
ideas, but if you don't spread them, and let them take hold, that's all your
doing, if that. If you don't help others understand, you're barely even
changing YOUR life, seeing as how we all affect each other ... unless you
plan on unplugging your tv, phone, internet, etc -- you'll still be
affected, good or bad, by everyone else around you.

Now, once you plant the seed of your ideas, you can let them germinate as
spread virally ... as you described to AM. But first, you have to plant the
seed. And you've only tilled the soil a tiny bit.

--
Connie :-)
FREE patterns n' FREE eZine at my blog:
http://sewverycreative.blogspot.com


"salami met bami" <ofje@worst.lust> wrote in message
news:4804d50c$0$5430$e4fe514c@dreader29.news.xs4al l.nl...

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:17:17 -0700, salami met bami wrote
(in article <4804d50c$0$5430$e4fe514c@dreader29.news.xs4all.nl >):

No one said that you had to do anything. You must be hearing the voices in
your head again.

Chuckle.



You are the one that wants to communicate your "meal" to people. At least
give the menu.

Chuckle.




That is because I know how to communicate, you do not.

":^)




You thought I was worried?

Chuckle.



I am not the only one reading this newsgroup. How about the "smart" people
that might be reading your replies.

Chuckle.

Mike

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:48:09 -0700, SewVeryCreative wrote
(in article <c7a3c$4804f7c3$18d6c25a$13340@KNOLOGY.NET>):

He can't do that. If he did, communicate his thoughts to others in a real
concrete way, other people would be able to see the holes in it and know that
he is a nutcase. As it is now, he is just a wacko with a fantasy.

":^)

Mike

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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:05:36 -0400, Fred Doyle <fdoyle1@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

Pretty much.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:07:52 +0200, "salami met bami" <ofje@worst.lust>
wrote:

Your glass is always "half empty", isn't it?

*nods*

You might wanna think about gettin checked out for depression...maybe
take some Xanax.

Oh think we get it all fine...and we get that it wouldn't work. At
least not at this point in time. If, at some point, someone discovers
a way to harness limitless amounts of energy with little effort and no
negative side effects...AND, if someone invents and perfects a machine
capable of energy to matter conversion on an intricate scale (ie a
transporter/replicater)...then yes, we could live in a society where
money wouldn't be needed. But at this point...no, it simply is not
possible.

In order for there to be no money the means of sustaining life must be
limitless...free food, free water, free shelter, free land, etc.
Since all those things are in LIMITED quantities there is simply no
way that a moneyless society could exist...outside of maybe a
commune...however even people like that and the Amish have a need for
money.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:04:40 -0400, "Fred Doyle"
<fdoyle1@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

....wow, even *I'M* not *THAT* arrogant and egotistical.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )