I am having a hard time designing a good decent logo that represents
both engineering and design with no text. I have have thought of
several solutions and ideas and I need some advice with my logo. Here
is the mock logo:

http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo.png

I know that I want to show a gear, a pencil, and use black and white,
with some grey. This logo is for a design class and I want to get some
feedback for this logo before I start doing it in illustrator. I am
pretty satisfied with how it looks right now but I am thinking more
like an engineer than a designer. I really appreciate any feedback.
Thanks

ikkyslash-mail@yahoo.com wrote:
I'll take a crack at some input, and I'm not trying to be harsh or mean,
just honest from my perspective. Understand, this is NOT a logo. IMHO it
is two disjointed and unconnected illustrations. There's no type,
there's no identifiers, there's no statement about who and what it is
for. At the very least, someone should come away from a logo knowing
what company the logo is for. Even better, someone should come away from
a logo with the knowledge of what company is for, and what attributes
represent that brand.

That doesn't mean you have to literally illustrate the company's brand
attributes, just that the use of type and imagery support those attributes.

--
Fred Doyle

On Feb 16, 8:32 am, Fred Doyle <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Yeah, this is a personal logo and it can't have no type. This is not
for a company, and the message people see doesn't have to be clear.
This is odd assignment but I will try to come up with other ideas.
If there was a company involved it would include me and only me. The
message would be that I am a mechanical engineer who enjoys design.
This project for me is really abstract ..., but yeah it's not a
commercial logo for a company that contains the company's message.
Thanks for you input, I'll keep thinking of other ideas.

On Feb 16, 11:04 am, ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
So my design teacher commented on this particular personal logo... she
said it okay, but that doesn't mean that it's a good design... what do
you think?

http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo2.png

Thanks, again, any advice is helpful.

<ikkyslash-mail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| On Feb 16, 8:32 am, Fred Doyle <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
| > ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
| > > I am having a hard time designing a good decent logo that represents
| > > both engineering and design with no text. I have have thought of
| > > several solutions and ideas and I need some advice with my logo. Here
| > > is the mock logo:
| >
| > >http://www.engineer.com/images/logo.png
| >
| > > I know that I want to show a gear, a pencil, and use black and white,
| > > with some grey. This logo is for a design class and I want to get some
| > > feedback for this logo before I start doing it in illustrator. I am
| > > pretty satisfied with how it looks right now but I am thinking more
| > > like an engineer than a designer. I really appreciate any feedback.
| > > Thanks
| >
| > I'll take a crack at some input, and I'm not trying to be harsh or mean,
| > just honest from my perspective. Understand, this is NOT a logo. IMHO it
| > is two disjointed and unconnected illustrations. There's no type,
| > there's no identifiers, there's no statement about who and what it is
| > for. At the very least, someone should come away from a logo knowing
| > what company the logo is for. Even better, someone should come away from
| > a logo with the knowledge of what company is for, and what attributes
| > represent that brand.
| >
| > That doesn't mean you have to literally illustrate the company's brand
| > attributes, just that the use of type and imagery support those
attributes.
| >
| > --
| > Fred Doyle
|
| Yeah, this is a personal logo and it can't have no type. This is not
| for a company, and the message people see doesn't have to be clear.
| This is odd assignment but I will try to come up with other ideas.
| If there was a company involved it would include me and only me. The
| message would be that I am a mechanical engineer who enjoys design.
| This project for me is really abstract ..., but yeah it's not a
| commercial logo for a company that contains the company's message.
| Thanks for you input, I'll keep thinking of other ideas.

I'm a retired engineer and the only thing this collection says to me is
'junk yard'

<ikkyslash-mail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| On Feb 16, 11:04 am, ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
| > On Feb 16, 8:32 am, Fred Doyle <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
| >
| >
| >
| > > ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
| > > > I am having a hard time designing a good decent logo that represents
| > > > both engineering and design with no text. I have have thought of
| > > > several solutions and ideas and I need some advice with my logo.
Here
| > > > is the mock logo:
| >
| > > >http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo.png
| >
| > > > I know that I want to show a gear, a pencil, and use black and
white,
| > > > with some grey. This logo is for a design class and I want to get
some
| > > > feedback for this logo before I start doing it in illustrator. I am
| > > > pretty satisfied with how it looks right now but I am thinking more
| > > > like an engineer than a designer. I really appreciate any feedback.
| > > > Thanks
| >
| > > I'll take a crack at some input, and I'm not trying to be harsh or
mean,
| > > just honest from my perspective. Understand, this is NOT a logo. IMHO
it
| > > is two disjointed and unconnected illustrations. There's no type,
| > > there's no identifiers, there's no statement about who and what it is
| > > for. At the very least, someone should come away from a logo knowing
| > > what company the logo is for. Even better, someone should come away
from
| > > a logo with the knowledge of what company is for, and what attributes
| > > represent that brand.
| >
| > > That doesn't mean you have to literally illustrate the company's brand
| > > attributes, just that the use of type and imagery support those
attributes.
| >
| > > --
| > > Fred Doyle
| >
| > Yeah, this is a personal logo and it can't have no type. This is not
| > for a company, and the message people see doesn't have to be clear.
| > This is odd assignment but I will try to come up with other ideas.
| > If there was a company involved it would include me and only me. The
| > message would be that I am a mechanical engineer who enjoys design.
| > This project for me is really abstract ..., but yeah it's not a
| > commercial logo for a company that contains the company's message.
| > Thanks for you input, I'll keep thinking of other ideas.
|
| So my design teacher commented on this particular personal logo... she
| said it okay, but that doesn't mean that it's a good design... what do
| you think?
|
| http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo2.png
|
| Thanks, again, any advice is helpful.

Better but it says to me Drafting 101

On Feb 16, 1:12 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
Drafting... yeah I like that...now if I could only make it say
Design... I will think about it some more. Thanks for the advice

<ikkyslash-mail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| On Feb 16, 1:12 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
| > <ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| >
| >
news:8e4371ff-8ebc-4a4e-887b-0dab8d0287d4@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
| > | On Feb 16, 11:04 am, ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
| > | > On Feb 16, 8:32 am, Fred Doyle <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > > ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
| > | > > > I am having a hard time designing a good decent logo that
represents
| > | > > > both engineering and design with no text. I have thought of
| > | > > > several solutions and ideas and I need some advice with my logo.
| > Here
| > | > > > is the mock logo:
| > | >
| > | > > >http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo.png
| > | >
| > | > > > I know that I want to show a gear, a pencil, and use black and
| > white,
| > | > > > with some grey. This logo is for a design class and I want to
get
| > some
| > | > > > feedback for this logo before I start doing it in illustrator.
I am
| > | > > > pretty satisfied with how it looks right now but I am thinking
more
| > | > > > like an engineer than a designer. I really appreciate any
feedback.
| > | > > > Thanks
| > | >
| > | > > I'll take a crack at some input, and I'm not trying to be harsh or
| > mean,
| > | > > just honest from my perspective. Understand, this is NOT a logo.
IMHO
| > it
| > | > > is two disjointed and unconnected illustrations. There's no type,
| > | > > there's no identifiers, there's no statement about who and what it
is
| > | > > for. At the very least, someone should come away from a logo
knowing
| > | > > what company the logo is for. Even better, someone should come
away
| > from
| > | > > a logo with the knowledge of what company is for, and what
attributes
| > | > > represent that brand.
| > | >
| > | > > That doesn't mean you have to literally illustrate the company's
brand
| > | > > attributes, just that the use of type and imagery support those
| > attributes.
| > | >
| > | > > --
| > | > > Fred Doyle
| > | >
| > | > Yeah, this is a personal logo and it can't have no type. This is
not
| > | > for a company, and the message people see doesn't have to be clear.
| > | > This is odd assignment but I will try to come up with other ideas.
| > | > If there was a company involved it would include me and only me.
The
| > | > message would be that I am a mechanical engineer who enjoys design.
| > | > This project for me is really abstract ..., but yeah it's not a
| > | > commercial logo for a company that contains the company's message.
| > | > Thanks for you input, I'll keep thinking of other ideas.
| > |
| > | So my design teacher commented on this particular personal logo... she
| > | said it okay, but that doesn't mean that it's a good design... what do
| > | you think?
| > |
| > |http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo2.png
| > |
| > | Thanks, again, any advice is helpful.
| >
| > Better but it says to me Drafting 101
|
| Drafting... yeah I like that...now if I could only make it say
| Design... I will think about it some more. Thanks for the advice

Nothing there says design in any engineering sense. Even the drafting part
implies intern at best.

As an analogy go-cart vs. NASCAR.

On Feb 16, 4:16 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

You guys have been really helpful. My Logo is due in two days and I
came up with a new personal logo.

http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo3.png

I was going to draw two gears that looked like they read the time and
where powered by a solar panel but next thing I saw this wind turbine
and Sun come up... so I added a pencil and wham... the logo came to
life... well at least for me. I hope you guys can see what I can
see... yeah a wind turbine has 3 blades...but I think my personal
logo has improved a lot from what it was initially. Thanks again for
the feedback, it is greately appreciated.

On Feb 18, 12:50*am, ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:

It seems like you are working on a pictogram more so than a logo. And
you are losing your focus, unless you are trying to depict engineering
for renewable energy.This design to me implies mechanical engineering.
Show the tools used in mechanical engineering but also show the tools
used for design (creativity)You need to incorporate something that
says creativity or design - maybe a brain - or something with a human
touch.

<ikkyslash-mail@

| > | > | >
| > | > | > > ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
| > | > | > > > I am having a hard time designing a good decent logo that
| > represents
| > | > | > > > both engineering and design with no text. I have thought of
| > | > | > > > several solutions and ideas and I need some advice with my
logo.
| > | > Here
| > | > | > > > is the mock logo:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > > >http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo.png
| > | > | >
| > | > | > > > I know that I want to show a gear, a pencil, and use black
and
| > | > white,
| > | > | > > > with some gray. This logo is for a design class and I want
to
| > get
| > | > some
| > | > | > > > feedback for this logo before I start doing it in
illustrator.
| > I am
| > | > | > > > pretty satisfied with how it looks right now but I am
thinking
| > more
| > | > | > > > like an engineer than a designer. I really appreciate any
| > feedback.
| > | > | > > > Thanks
| > | > | >
| > | > | > > I'll take a crack at some input, and I'm not trying to be
harsh or
| > | > mean,
| > | > | > > just honest from my perspective. Understand, this is NOT a
logo.
| > IMHO
| > | > it
| > | > | > > is two disjointed and unconnected illustrations. There's no
type,
| > | > | > > there's no identifiers, there's no statement about who and
what it
| > is
| > | > | > > for. At the very least, someone should come away from a logo
| > knowing
| > | > | > > what company the logo is for. Even better, someone should come
| > away
| > | > from
| > | > | > > a logo with the knowledge of what company is for, and what
| > attributes represent that brand.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > > That doesn't mean you have to literally illustrate the
company's
| > brand attributes, just that the use of type and imagery support those
attributes.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > > --
| > | > | > > Fred Doyle
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Yeah, this is a personal logo and it can't have no type. This
is
| > not
| > | > | > for a company, and the message people see doesn't have to be
clear.
| > | > | > This is odd assignment but I will try to come up with other
ideas.
| > | > | > If there was a company involved it would include me and only me.
| > The
| > | > | > message would be that I am a mechanical engineer who enjoys
design.
| > | > | > This project for me is really abstract ..., but yeah it's not a
| > | > | > commercial logo for a company that contains the company's
message.
| > | > | > Thanks for you input, I'll keep thinking of other ideas.
| > | > |
| > | > | So my design teacher commented on this particular personal logo...
she
| > | > | said it okay, but that doesn't mean that it's a good design...
what do
| > | > | you think?
| > | > |
| > | > |http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo2.png
| > | > |
| > | > | Thanks, again, any advice is helpful.
| > | >
| > | > Better but it says to me Drafting 101
| > |
| > | Drafting... yeah I like that...now if I could only make it say
| > | Design... I will think about it some more. Thanks for the advice
| >
| > Nothing there says design in any engineering sense. Even the drafting
part
| > implies intern at best.
| >
| > As an analogy go-cart vs. NASCAR.
|
|
| You guys have been really helpful. My Logo is due in two days and I
| came up with a new personal logo.
|
| http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo3.png
|
| I was going to draw two gears that looked like they read the time and
| where powered by a solar panel but next thing I saw this wind turbine
| and Sun come up... so I added a pencil and wham... the logo came to
| life... well at least for me. I hope you guys can see what I can
| see... yeah a wind turbine has 3 blades...but I think my personal
| logo has improved a lot from what it was initially. Thanks again for
| the feedback, it is greatly appreciated.

If the logo is intended to work for a demographic of engineers the design
has technical inconsistencies that will act as a turn off as the gears,
literally and physically, don't mesh. (Says to me, an engineer, these
people don't know what they are about. So do I REALLY want to hire them?)

I recall a print that was made to be sold to hunters. The only problem the
depiction was of a male dog nursing young. Sales were ZERO.

An aside the design is more appropriate for an icon than a logo.

Might help if we knew what sort of engineering discipline you were
targeting.

On Feb 18, 10:03 am, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
Yeah, I am interested in renewable energy. I want to show that I am a
mechanical engineer and I am interested in renewable energy plus I
have some design knowledge. And yeah, maybe the gears (sun, and wind
turbine) don't mesh physically but they do mesh in the real world,
i.e. (solar and wind turbine). Adding some kind of human touch might
help, I'll think about it and and try to incorporate that into a
modified version. Thanks again for the feedback.

On Feb 18, 10:28 am, ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:

Time is about up for my logo, I made a couple variations from
logo3.png and will probably choose #4. What do you guys think?

http://www.dengineer.com/images/logos.png

Thinking of a personal logo has been extremely difficult and just mind
boggling.... I have to turn something in tomorrow, so is there
anything anyone would recommend while creating the final logo, such as
making sure the resolution is 300 ppi. Thanks

On Feb 18, 9:26*pm, ikkyslash-m...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think #4 is the best. That was a nice touch making the pictogram
appear to be in progress. I would make the "line in progress" bolder,
simplify the pen to basic shapes and lines, try to get the gear teeth
that are touching to appear so they are just about to touch leaving
some negative space around them, maybe flatten the ends of the gear
teeth. Do you need to incorporate a gray value into the design? You
probably have enough time to tweek the design.

On Feb 19, 7:49 am, graphicjak <graphic...@interfold.com> wrote:
I turned my logo in but I still want to adjust a couple of things. I
added some gray and changed the pencil plus added some shadows. The
logo project was to see and understand the design process, and to show
that it never ends. I re-created the logo to be more proportional and
symmetrical and I am pretty satisfied with it. Thanks for the feedback
=)

http://www.dengineer.com/images/logo_beta.png