Hello all,

- pixelsmart - that's a great name and fun to work with, lots of
possibilities

Cash prize and the contestants do the voting !!

Contest details are at www.pixelsmart.com/contest.html

Deadline Sept 5 2004

Thanks
Dan
pixelsmart

in article wtQXc.34781$DG.1757818@news20.bellglobal.com, Dan DeConinck of
PixelSmart at Dan@pixelsmart.com wrote on 08/27/2004 5:38 PM:


Pick up your logo at:
http://www.artistmike.com/Temp3/FreeLogos.html

<< - pixelsmart - that's a great name and fun to work with, lots of
possibilities Cash prize and the contestants do the voting !! >>


Whoppee! Here's my solution:

http://members.aol.com/lineimage/noheart.jpg

JT

justapawn@aol.com (JustaPawn) wrote:

Maybe you should add
"... at PixelSmart!" in letters at the bottom ...



The Doormouse

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Hello inez,

I removed those logos based on your concerns.

you using ? Are all the lines of text doing that or only a few ? ( which
ones ? )

After I took the jpeg out the navigation strip went back into alignment.
I corrected the spelling error. Thanks for your editing.

Thanks
Dan

I like it!

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

In article <wtQXc.34781$DG.1757818@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Dan DeConinck
of PixelSmart" <Dan@pixelsmart.com> wrote:


"The judges will be the contestants. Each contestant may cast one vote"

this part is great. i'll create 500 bogus entries and email adressess.
thereby getting 500 votes to vote for my one real design. I win!!!!!

Hello inez,

I have hired several graphic designers. Now I am putting another $300 into
the pocket of a graphics designed. I will also need to hire more designers
for upcoming projects. I am not getting something for free. Look at this
news group's archives. There certainly are people who ask for free logos.

Also over 1000 people per month search the web looking for logo contests.
http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/ ( searches on
yahoo network )
Some people simply enjoy the test. They like to see how they stack up.

People can decide for themselves if it is a wise decision for them to
participate in a contest. Some people want to and others do not want to.
Your negative opinion does not apply to everyone. Its not that black and
white.

I'd say all's fair right now.

Sincerely Daniel DeConinck,



PixelSmart Tel 416-248-4473 or 800-884-1734
w.PixelSmart.com ----Move Your Pixels Smarter ! -----
© 2003 PixelSmart , All Rights reserved.


----- Original Message -----
From: iehsmith
Newsgroups: alt.design.graphics
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: iehsmith points have been addressed


On 8/27/04 11:31 PM, Dan DeConinck of PixelSmart uttered:

Thank you. Not only more legal, but much more considerate

I'm on Mac, NS 7, 22" monitor at 1280X1024. Had to open the window full
width to read them. Yes, it was all of them. Apparently removing the logos
or something fixed the problem. At least, they're only about 10" wide now
and fit within the width of your header.

You're welcome. The nav strip still seems to be about 3 or 4 px offset.

Not to belabor the point, but if you would simply seek and contract the
services of one designer who will create your logo within your budget; I'd
say, all's fair



Again, Good luck,
inez

In article <BD558D1A.24D16%inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> , iehsmith
<inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> wrote:

they'll end up with a bad logo regardless of format.

in article PgWXc.26088$_H5.975212@news20.bellglobal.com, Dan DeConinck of
PixelSmart at Dan@pixelsmart.com wrote on 08/27/2004 10:45 PM:

And each time the person has been confronted -- just like you have been
confronted -- for the error in his thinking.






Some people like to smoke also, but it does not mean that it is good for
them to do it.






People can change their mind also. Once they realize that they are being
ripped off, many do change their mind.






It applies if they choose to see contests for what they really are.




I think it is "black and white". You get many free logos and only pay for
one. Many people do work and don't get paid for that work. That looks like
a rip off to me.





Thus you are being confronted for your error. It's only "fair".


Oh, by the way... you can get your logo at:
http://www.artistmike.com/Temp3/FreeLogos.html

TheOne wrote
I agree. And who says there will actually be a prize. If
each 'contestant' votes for his/her own work, as can be
expected, there's no 'winner'. No winner no prize :-)

Joske

inez wrote:

Simply participating in these contests is worth something.<<<

How are these different from PixelSmart's contest?

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com





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news:BD562A66.24D2F%inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink. net...

in article cgqfbd$qdi$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl, Joske at j.backer@home.nl
wrote on 08/28/2004 10:27 AM:


Ouch, that's right... no winner... no prize payout. Then no one gets paid.

in article Xn4Yc.110174$Lj.32780@fed1read03, Dan at
Dan@Freelance[removethis]Workshops.com wrote on 08/28/2004 11:44 AM:


Dan, you don't read for understanding, do you.

A quote from her message... that you missed...


Read for understanding next time, Dan.

"Dan" <Dan@Freelance[removethis]Workshops.com> wrote:

First, there is potential national exposure in a trade mag. Even being
considered a "honorable mention" has a marketable portfolio value.

Pixel's contest will offer exposure only to his clients. Thrills. As a
reference, he will be "PixelSmart who?". eh, I'll pass.

Second, design contests in trade magazines and the like offer prizes that
a designer might want more than "X" amount of dollars. For instance,
Photoshop CS has a dollar value of $249 to a student. Winning a full copy
due to one's skills could potentially be worth $600 to the same student.

Pixel's contest assumes that "cash is everything". Why is he not offering
his finest product in trade? Or a trophy plus cash plus a product? Or
"runners up" prizes? It is a sucky contest for the desperate. Ick.

Third, design contests by people who are "in the know" are much, much
more challenging in that the end client may be very knowledgeable about
what good design looks like. If your design makes the cut, now that says
something very positive about your skills.

Pixel is not a design industry porfessional. He would be happy with the
design equivalent of "Mac N' Cheese", so why design him a five star dish?
He likely cannot tell the difference.

The Doormouse

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DM wrote:


Why does the prize matter? If you are not chosen, the compensation in every
instance is the same....nothing. Even if you consider your "experience" to
be worth your time, the result is still the same.

Your argument seems to be that working free for IBM is somehow worth more
than working free for PixelSmart.

"Well, yeah, but if you win..." Well, okay. Then why not let people make
their own decisions based on what's "worth it" to them?

Some people will go to extraordinary lengths to be "included." The
publishing industry has recognized this for years. For fees ranging from
small to hefty, anyone can be included in any number of Who's Who
publications. For the logo designer who doesn't wish to participate in
contests, he can send his logos (and his payment) to any number of
publishers for inclusion in this year's big book 'o logos...no questions
asked.

If PixelSmart were ...ahem...smart, they could *charge* designers for the
privilege of competing in their contest. Some people would consider it a
higher quality contest if they had to pay an entry fee -- and entry fees
would get rid of the riff-raff!

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com







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"Dan" <Dan@Freelance[removethis]Workshops.com> wrote:

It indicates intent. The intent of Pixel's contest is fraud, work for
nothing. The intent of a trade mag's contest is wholly different.

"Spoofing" is a dirty habit. ... and with that out of the way:

I clearly outlined several tangible benefits which you are ignoring.
There are others. Compensation can be many things - professional
recognition can be one benefit. Recognition from a no-identity company is
worth precious little. Bouncing ideas off another design professional is
worth quite a bit. Even saying that you entered some contests is enough -
for example, the Olympics.

I made this point clear.

IBM is not a design industry magazine or advertising agency with a list
of impressive clients. This discussion grows very old.

....

LOL!

The Doormouse

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DM wrote:

You pointed out potential benefits for the winner. I pointed out that the
benefits are the same for all the people who don't win.

You make a funny argument, along the lines of: "Yes, but I was rejected by
the best!"

So??? Unless you win, you're still working for free.

People do all kinds of stuff for all kinds of reasons. I say let 'em.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com







"The Doormouse" <doormouse@att.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9553D8AB18A25doormouseattnet@68.12.19.6...

Okay, so your argument seems to focus on the PRIZE. Working for free is okay
IF the prize is big enough??

"Hello Miss. Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"

"Why sure!!!"

[Opening wallet] "How about $50?"

"$50!!!! [slap] What kind of girl do you think I am?"

"We've already established what kind of girl you are. Now we are negotiating
price."


Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com






"iehsmith" <inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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inez wrote:

for me. A value already exists prior to entry.<<<

You are referring to juried competitions using existing work created for
specific clients. Those are very different than PixelSmart's logo contest,
which is a purely speculative venture.

I am a creative mercenary myself :-) But I understand that there are
people who want to give it away-give it away-give it away-give it away-yeah.
Why shouldn't PixelSmart be the recipient of that creative energy?

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com






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