I have found 46 products so far, some for mac, others for
windows and few linux-apps as well. I believe these is
interesting if you like making computer generated art.

http://opcoders.com/articles_about_g..._products.html


My intend is to learn from these products: what to do and what not
to do. So I can write a successful piece of software.

Please tell me if I have forgotten something.


--
Simon Strandgaard

Interesting, I'll have a look and see if I can think of anything, for one,
does it bring me a cup of coffee in the morning/evening/whatever mad time I
decide to start work?


"Simon Strandgaard" <neoneye@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What in paticular interests you on that list?
(I will see if I can fill in some more details)

I cannot help you with coffee. Thanks :-)

--
Simon Strandgaard

On 3 Maj, 16:20, "Mudstomper" <blib...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4 Maj, 00:42, inez <nezm...@no.thank.you> wrote:

I am open to anything, as long as the list stays below 100 entries.

Right now I am trying out CADintosh, and afterward I will take look
at Digimage Arts' software. I tried Intaglio and Inkscape some time
ago.
IIRC these were not node/layer based programs for effects?
Thanks


btw: I should probably mention that it's about node/layer based apps.

--
Simon Strandgaard

On 3 May 2007 07:01:26 -0700, Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@gmail.com>
wrote:

....ya, you've forgotten INFINITY. *rolls eyes*

Technically anyone with professional level Flash coding skills could
make some form of graphics app that utilizes layering, hell even my
freakin sprite generator makes use of layered graphics. What you're
proposing is simply bullshit though, because downloading and looking
at the way every last graphics app under the sun handles layering
isn't going to get you squat, other than a LOT of wasted time and
effort.

You sound like some kind of a tweenage muppet fuck with grandiose,
whimsical, fantasy plans but no real means of delivering. I see your
type all the time, usually 14 or 15 year old kids who think they're
going to magically program the next big MMORPG and strike it rich by
age 16...just as soon as they finish their high school C++ course and
"get a little time" over summer break...yeah, sure kid, sure.

I hate to beat you up long side your tweenage head with reality, but
all those fancy graphics apps you see like Photoshop...yeah...those
took ENTIRE TEAMS of PROFESSIONAL LEVEL graphic designers,
programmers, systems analysts, etc to make that stuff...and it has
taken DECADES of development in order to get it to where it's at now.

The very notion of some tweenage muppet fuck coming along and
magically producing a piece of software that could even fucking
remotely DREAM of rivaling or replacing something like Photoshop is
just absolutely fucking absurd to the nth degree. You might as well
be claiming that you plan to conquer China next week using nothing
more than a box of tooth picks and some chewing gum. It's THAT
absurd.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On 4 Maj, 09:58, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-productions.net>
wrote:
I spend some time seeking inspiration in other programs, this helps
me figuring out what works and what doesn't. I'm writing a
smaller program for mac with my focus on user friendliness.
I imagine it's difficult to do layers if you are non-power-user.


Thank you


When I compare myself to them then I feel like an amateur.
It causes low self-confidence and other bad stuff.


hehe. I am just hoping to survive with my project so I can do what
interests me. Instead of working for somebody else on a non-intersting
project, where nobody care about writing a good program.
I cannot replace Photoshop.


--
Simon Strandgaard

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

I know, it' amazing what gets posted in here isn't it? We've got this
other guy who posts here who thinks its a real big deal and that he is
all sorts of "professional" 'cuz his hobby site "rakes up" $200 a month
in Google Adsense income per month. Man, could you sound any more like a
"tweenage muppet fuck" who hasn't got a clue about earning a living.

Oh wait......never mind.

--
Fred Doyle

On 4 Maj, 07:30, inez <nezm...@no.thank.you> wrote:
Sorry that I didn't explain myself well enough.
Example of layers
1. foreground-layer: a filter that blurs the image
2. middle-layer: a filter that makes cartoon style
3. background-layer: picture of my grandmom

So the result is a blurred cartoonish grandmom!
A filter may have parameters. Changing a parameter
in the middle-layer affects the result immediately.

This concept has names such as: effect layers, live preview,
non-destructive filters.

Layers is simple. Node based allows more crazy
ways to combine filters and is more complex.

I look at what's user friendly in this area.


"Enhance" seems no longer to be there?
http://microfrontier.com/downloads.html



Nice image, is that really made with this program?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creature_House_Expression


--
Simon Strandgaard
(I replied earlier today, but it didn't show up, so I am trying again)

On 4 Maj, 13:34, Fred Doyle <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Indeed I will have a problem if my project fails :-(

--
Simon Strandgaard

"Simon Strandgaard" <neoneye@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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Xara Xtreme? Windows and linux.

On 4 Maj, 17:50, "salami met bami" <o...@worst.lust> wrote:

http://www.xaraxtreme.org/
It's not what I am looking fore. But it looks very promising.
I got to try it out next time I boot my PC.

--
Simon Strandgaard

"Simon Strandgaard" <neoneye@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Like Inez, I'm not clear what it is that you're looking for. As I understand
your origninal post Xara fits your description of node/layer-based software,
so why, specifically would this not fit? How do you decide what fits and
what doesn't? You seem to be leaving out the major applications in this
field in your list.

Fred

Simon Strandgaard wrote:

If you fear project failure to the extent you can't afford to fail get
out now. Never place a bet you can't afford to loose.

Just my 2¢.

D

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

I'm quite sure it was. IF I ever get an new Mac and IF I ever decide to
run bootcamp or the like, I'll probably try to get the app if MS doesn't
completely destroy it. Otherwise, I'm keeping these old betas. The
program has some wonderful features, but the interface of the beta
versions is still quite..."hinkie"

I haven't worked with it a lot, not enough to really learn it. I kinda
lost heart when I found out Mac development stopped. But I use the
B-Spline and Polyline tools often for drawing, especially for logos.
Then I export to Illustrator for finishing. Those tools are more
friendly for me to use since I haven't had a tablet for years. Love the
Effects Lines, though I haven't mastered working with them.

Sure wish Apple had bought out Creature House instead of MS

inez

On 4 Maj, 19:01, "Fred Doyle" <fdoy...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Great question, a better description is necessary.
Turning down things helps nobody.

I watched the Xara videos (4 of them). Xara uses layers,
but it's a different kind of layers that I am searching for.
One of the videos showed how to remove red eyes and do chopping.
These operations are applied inplace, so if you first did
red-eye-removal and afterwards chopping, then you cannot continue
modify red-eye-removal.

In a program with "realtime non-destructive effect layers", you
can continue modifying effects used earlier, while you look at the
result.
For example playing around with a fractal generator and passing it
through
a few filters such as half-toning, blur, bumpmapping. This is what's
exciting.
This category of programs make me forget about time and space.
Would it be easier if I refered to this as being "image synthesizer" ?
It has much in common with a music studio where you send audio
through boxes that does music effects. You can interact with these
boxes while music is send through.

hmm, this became a too long explaination. I hope it's better?

--
Simon Strandgaard

"Simon Strandgaard" <neoneye@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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That is a small extra application within Xara Xtreme for doing
some photo work. it isn`t really the main application.

I do???? All the time.
I can even go back on my moves while working (after saving not, I would love
that possibility.)

Maybe I understand it wrong? Because that is about how it works to me.

"salami met bami" <ofje@worst.lust> schreef in bericht
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Hmm you can undo the effects etc. but you can`t retrace your steps
after you reloaded a ".xar" file. Just this addition to prevent
misunderstandings.

PS why I use this program? Because it is the first program I felt
comfortable with after
I used my programs on my amiga 1200, finally I found a program that was
intuitive enough.
Oh yeah, later Magix will bring it out as part of their line, because they
purchased this program
recently.

On Fri, 04 May 2007 07:34:12 -0400, Fred Doyle <fdoyle1@nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

Wait, isn't that the guy who says he's an ARTIST and NOT a
professional...huh...I guess he should feel pretty flattered that
lessers like you consider him to be a professional...still, you might
wanna tone down yer jealously induced snitting just a bit, someone
might get the wrong idea about you. `, )

Where did I ever say that my HOBBY SITES were being used to earn a
living? And really, how many people can even claim that their HOBBY
rakes in $200 bucks a month? LOL...covet it, bitch.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On 4 Maj, 22:58, "salami met bami" <o...@worst.lust> wrote:

A video is better than thousand words. These 2 videos gives a good
impression of what the node-based editor Werkkzeug can do:
http://ftp.scene.org/file.php?file=%...1.avi&fileinfo
http://ftp.scene.org/file.php?file=%...d.avi&fileinfo

Still I feel that I have failed, not being able to explain
what it is. I have tried several times to explain it to my
parents and friends, but nobody understands what I am talking
about. Not even when I show them my own program :-(
It probably will be difficult to sell if I cannot
explain myself. Maybe I should go out some more and meet
other people and talk non-computer-language?

--
Simon Strandgaard