Just felt the need to say that today :-) Been that kind of day here at
the office.

B

In article <3TzUg.12967$7I1.12456@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> ,
Brian Mays <bmays@newsok.com> wrote:

and web design is about designing for the web, not coding.

I agree.
scg

"Brian Mays" <bmays@newsok.com> wrote in message
news:3TzUg.12967$7I1.12456@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...

\\ woods :


isn't that a bit like saying

"mailer design is about designing for the post, not printing".

and either way, isn't it better to design for people?

--

Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/

In article <18t61tp4w8f2y$.ygcllpxq2ow3$.dlg@40tude.net>,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=E9mon?= <"davémon"@nospam.com> wrote:

i'm talking about the end method of delivery.

not end users. everything at one point gets done for people.

\\ woods :

yep, it's just that sometimes people seem to forget it's the most
important part of the design job. Everthing else is just understanding
the constraints/opportunities of the medium being used.

--

Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:38:23 GMT, Brian Mays <bmays@newsok.com> wrote:

....actually yeah...it is. Entirely in fact. Graphic design (on the
computer) simply could NOT EXIST without programming. Now, maybe on
the level you're at (amateur) you don't use coding and simply rely on
OTHER PEOPLES CODE to create your content...but up here where I'm at,
on the higher end of graphic design spectrum...coding/programming is
VERY MUCH apart of graphic design...sometimes it's the most relevant
point in fact.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

I believe if you are good at everything then you are best at nothing.

On Oct 15, 12:03 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

On 15 Oct 2006 13:52:24 -0700, "Dan" <dannieg4@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately for your deficient, failing and rather antiquated
belief...I shit all over it with my very existence. ^_^

Now...maybe it's true FOR YOU...but only because you limit yourself
with your own backwards line of thinking. If you don't think you
can...well can't never could do nothin.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:19:31 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

Further, in my opinion you CANNOT become the best at ANYTHING unless
you have completely mastered a multitude of related subjects. Because
the fact is, most of what you learn in other areas can be applied and
used as a springboard. For example, in (digital) graphic design the
most important part is the tools...you can't rightly create much of
anything if you don't have the tools. In this case the tool is the
computer, its hardware, software, etc. Now, *if* you have a complete
mastery of computer hardware/software installation, setup, etc...then
you have the ability to create THE VERY BEST TOOL FOR THE JOB...but if
you don't...well how could you ever even begin to dream of being the
best at anything without having the tools needed to do it? I mean,
what, do you think you'll just wake up one morning and suddenly start
shitting out good design like a fountain?

Fact is Dan...you will NEVER be the best at ANYTHING because of your
backward beliefs.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Dead wrong junior. Designers existed before computers.

Learn some history. Or at least what graphic design is.

You bore me.

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On 16 Oct 2006 09:00:53 -0700, "Brian Mays" <brianleonmays@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'm sure being wrong upsets you very much, Deary. But the fact of the
matter is that YOU CAN (and in this day in age most often) use
programming to create graphics. To even BEGIN to think otherwise
shows just how much of an armature you are. I mean...99% of those
nifty CG effects that you see in Hollywood blockbusters...that's pure
code. Basically the producer tells the CODER (not the graphic
designer) what he wants (let's say a character underwater with their
hair flowing around as if its underwater). The CODER then CREATES A
PIECE OF SOFTWARE that can be used by the modeler. The end result,
which is a form of graphic design, is 1% staging (assuming the base
models have already been completed) and 99% coding.

Whether you want to talk about Adobe Photoshop or all those nifty
filter effects in it and so forth...it's all code, Stupid. And if
you're REALLY GOOD at graphic design (the digital kind, the kind
that's most often used in this day in age) you actually CREATE YOUR
OWN FILTERS to pull off various graphic effects...that's nothing but
coding, Junior.

Now, maybe if the extent of your antediluvian "graphic design"
experience extends no farther than paper and a pencil programming
isn't needed...but considering you're using a computer to mouth off
like a jackass about shit you don't know about...well that'd make you
a hypocrite at the very least...a fucking retard at the very most.
I'll let you decide which you prefer more. ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:som4j2p6v52prrt0clhes9379kojoekan7@4ax.com...
What a bunch of insane wacko babble.
Also, I have a lot more to say but you'd never get it

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:45:20 GMT, "UprightCitizen"
<jfiaodowl@oadlewoqocldaq.com> wrote:

I love it when the retard gallery starts snitting without any facts,
examples or arguments to back up their FAILING little NONpinions.

Speaking of programming to create graphic design, one of the best
examples of such usage is where you take hundreds/thousands of
miniaturized images to represent a larger, whole image. Some retards
like UptightClitty here probably think that, that's done manually by
hand...but it's not, it's done with programming...like most modern
techniques in graphic design. Of course UptightClitty has probably
been jaded by the fact that he only uses OTHER PEOPLES PROGRAMMING to
create...oh wait, he doesn't actually have any examples of graphic
design work that he's done. Never mind, he's just a fucking retard,
let's all move on.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:36:19 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

Oh hey, I'm sorry, I meant to put "your" in quotes because it's not
~actually~ YOUR belief, but rather someone else's belief that you just
slurped up without thinking and then started running around
regurgitating because you thought it sounded kinded clever. ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:mlrbj25ln2mtfug8dh9nohu4ooqj21uvo9@4ax.com...
I might be able to take what you say seriously IF you actually had some real
graphic design to show for it. As far as showing you my portfolio,
hahahahaha, why the fuck would I do that I already know you're ignorant on
the subject. I mean really I click on "graphic design" on your website, and
I see NOTHING there, hahaha. "Oh look a picture of Batman" "Oh look a shitty
anime type drawing" hahahahahaha "Oh look he put his face in the Lord of the
Rings, with the Lord of the Rings title at the bottom that he of course
didn't even design." hahahaha what a moron. Why don't you just stick to
programming then...........

UprightCitizen wrote:


Any minute he's going to call you some names and get back at you. Hell,
I just checked and he can't even keep his own blog up. Must be pulling
extra shifts at Papa John's.

D

"Drew" <whoisthatmaskedman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:PVwZg.133$_u4.113@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Hah he might call me names, but he won't be getting back at me.