--
Patented SeeScreen enables
programs to see anything on
the computer display screen
www.SeeScreen.com

In article <rYUWg.6644$eZ4.6154@dukeread06>,
"Peter Olcott" <NoSpam@SeeScreen.com> wrote:

if you mean that one, it's impossible to provide suggestions. it's like
asking for a quick fix and there isn't one.

hire a designer and work with them to find the right solution.

"woods" <noreply@none.com> wrote in message
news:452c233b$0$27309$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
What kinds of ideas could be used to make this page look more professional? One
of the suggestions was to make the buttons indicate which one was selected.
Another suggestion was to change how styles are handled to better conform with
recommended practices.

In article <RvVWg.6667$eZ4.757@dukeread06>,
"Peter Olcott" <NoSpam@SeeScreen.com> wrote:

re read what I wrote.

"woods" <noreply@none.com> wrote in message
news:452cbf9c$0$2914$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
I have already hired a designer and want to provide him with more ideas. You
indicated that the kind of advice that I was asking for can not be reasonably be
provided, I have refuted this statement by providing two valid counter examples
of the advice that you said could not be provided.

Peter Olcott wrote:
if you're having to give him ideas then hes not a very good designer -
just ask him "i want the best possible website for £X" then see what
he comes up with - listen to their suggestions (they should have lots
of suggestions) and if they know what theyre on about take their advice
and change your online business model to suit - then you will have an
amazing website...

you would if you hired me anyway

www.newmediadesigns.co.uk

Peter Olcott wrote:
Your designer should be providing the ideas. All you should have to do
is communicate the goals of the site, problems you are having, who the
audience is, long range considerations and your budget range. The
designer's job is to create a website that addresses and solves the
problems put forth-creatively and within your budget.

You should review your designer's work to see if that is how they have
performed in the past. Your designer should also be interviewing you
for what you know is not working and why you think it's not working.
Not for suggestions about how to fix it.

Example: Our clients cannot find the prices and we are still getting
calls about pricing when all that info is on the site. We want to be
able to get more qualified leads from the site, but all we get are
shoppers, not buyers. We have not been able to get into the first 10
results for our keyword phrases.

Designer: To solve these issues I suggest we...

If you have to ask us, your designer is not doing his/her job. What are
you paying for? It sounds like you want to design instead. You may want
to consider another designer or perhaps just find a production person
so you can give all the instructions to them. It should be less
expensive than hiring a designer.

In article <1160580251.908783.129750@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups. com>,
"mark r" <markrush@gmail.com> wrote:
2nd that.

but he needs a very good designer.

In article <1160584808.047253.114490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Glorywest" <glorywest@verizon.net> wrote:

clients should never DIY design. bad suggestion.

"Glorywest" <glorywest@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1160584808.047253.114490@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
the kinds of things that can be done to a site like mine that look good.

"Peter Olcott" <NoSpam@SeeScreen.com> schreef in bericht
news:VeeXg.6942$eZ4.702@dukeread06...
Hire another designer if you don`t like the design now?
I didn`t like the small letters, they annoyed me.

In article
<1160580251.908783.129750@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups. com>,
"mark r" <markrush@gmail.com> wrote:

Am I developing a 6th sense? I can often smell a tables-layout
from 3 miles away. Yup!

(Relax, mark r... I am not saying it isn't nice...)

--
dorayme

Peter Olcott wrote (regarding http://www.seescreen.com/):
Okay, I'll bite (my websites do, so why not?).

I'm no designer, but I would point out:

The text sizes are too small. (And specifying them in px isn't too
cool. Thank &deity; I have Firefox.) (Ooh, this just in: the text in the
middle of the Unique page is even tiiinier. Are you afraid someone might
read this stuff?)

The page requires that my browser viewport be 820 px wide. Any more than
that and I have wasted browser real estate left and right; any less and
I get a horiz. scrollbar because of the logo image (and I can't see all
the text). Fluid design would be friendlier.

The logo image is all you have to capture the visitor's imagination, and
mine, for one, got away. It doesn't do too much for me (*yawn*. Oh
sorry.). What do you mean to communicate with it?

The bodytext itself could be better formatted; it's heavy and dull, with
nothing breaking it up or inciting any interest. The closest it gets is
at the bottom with a two-item list. If this is really the exciting part
of your product, put it in a box, up higher, with maybe a slightly
different coloring or something, up *next* to the boring technical
explanation.

The nav links up top look almost like register tabs, but they don't
quite go all the way, and they look cheap. Like an imitation leather
wallet you got at the dime store. See other websites for comparison.

Your links to "Home" in the nav doesn't do anything useful. Is your
index.html a pure white page? (Hint: yes.)

I have the feeling something is missing in the blue, uh, area in the
upper-right corner. Is there supposed to be text there? A linky?

Apart from all of that, I have other criticisms regarding the
construction of the site (HTML & CSS). Things like:

<font style="font-size:18px; color:black" face="arial"><b>
SeeScreen Provides Two Unique Capabilities:<br>
</b></font>

and the entire table-based design tell me the site should be recoded
from scratch as part of the redesign. But you didn't ask about that, I
think, so I'll just hope I've helped a little with my paltry suggestions
concerning the look. Good luck.

--
John

Move the tabs closer to each other so they look like tabs.....
Top right of screen is missing something...............,
Since you have a software product how about some screen shots.....
How about some customer comments, if you have any, if not give the
product to a few potential customers so you can get their feedback.......
SeeScreen logo text in upper left possible larger, next to impossible to
read the "tag line".........
Boost your business section smaller so you can get to the meat below it
quicker...........

Believe me there are sites much worse than this one. Check out other
sites and get ideas of what you like, colors, design patterns, etc.
Remember the saying "Opinions are like $33holes, everyone has one"

Good luck with your business.




Peter Olcott wrote:

Peter Olcott wrote:
Anything is possible. What do you think it should look like? Sorry to
sound like a shrink.

Before I start work with a client I assign homework for them. I have
them prepare a set of adjectives to describe their business or what
they would like the site to convey, i.e. Hi Tech, conservative, cool,
friendly, superior, welcoming. Doesn't matter what the words are, just
that they pertain to their site, mission or product. At least 5-10
words. Then I ask them to show me 3-4 websites that appeal to them.
Doesn't matter what the subject is, I just want to know what they like.
I also ask that they be able to tell me why they like the sites. Style,
color, content, pizazz. Then if it seems they really have no idea what
they like (as you do right now) I ask that they cruise some template
sites and then email me the numbers so I can get a feel for what they
like.

It's your site and your company. It has to have a sense of you. At
least that's how I approach it. And many times it's very hard for
clients to communicate what they want or why. By going through these
steps together it give us a way to talk about what is appealing.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:15:43 +1000, dorayme
<doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

....I would. Teh logo banner thing at the top is WAY too huge, the
style screams cookie cutter template, it's got a bunch of hooha shit
that's just...annoying. Honestly, bouncing lil elipses...yeah that's
about as interesting as blinking text.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
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"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:23:49 +1000, woods <noreply@none.com> wrote:

I think it's a great suggestion...well for me anyway, but only because
I think teh end result would be terribly amusing. ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:15:52 -0500, "Peter Olcott"
<NoSpam@SeeScreen.com> wrote:

Does Sally sell, seashells, by the sea shore?

Fuck all man, if yer tongue twisting .sig is any indication I'd say
yer site is just all shades of molested up the ass.

And why do you need to tell us that it's "patented"...I mean...why the
fuck do your customers care whether it is or not?

....and what is it? I mean, let me bitch slap you with a hard fact of
reality real quick...I'm like a *GOD* when it comes to computer
literacy and technical knowledge and understanding...and *I* have no
fuckin cl00 as to what you're babbling about...which means
that...pretty much everyone else on the PLANET is not going to
understand what it is you're trying to sell...at least if they're
looking at yer Usenet .sig.

Okay, so on to the actual site...*shudder*...

I mean...where do I begin. Did you make this yourself using prefab
cookie cutter crap with halfass "customization"? Cause it REALLY
looks like you did.

And yer logo...yeah, could it *possibly* be any more generic looking?
*rolls eyes*

Oh hey, you know what's fun about your site though...when I move the
mouse over the text links (which were very poorly done up to look like
graphic links)...the text like...gets off on it! Practically jumps
right off the nav bar with excitement. I'm FUCKING YOUR TEXT WITH MY
MOUSE! LOL...oh your God does this get any worse.

You know what your site reminds me of? This:
http://www.backwater-productions.net...s/mocking.html

Especially with your completely meaningless and incoherent image
overlays THAT ARE TAKING UP ALMOST HALF THE FUCKING SCREEN!

Here's a thought, have you even LOOKED at yer site on an 800x600
res...cause if that shit is TAKING UP ALMOST HALF THE FUCKING SCREEN
on my 1024x768 display...yeah, do the fuckin math ya drooling retard.

Like so many others have already told you (apparently it has yet to
actually penetrate that great big ugly thick fuckin skull of
yers)...HIRE A GAWD DAMN DESIGNER! And quit tryin to DIY the thing,
cause all you're managing to accomplish with that is providing peeps
like me with hours of entertainment as you FUCK JESUS UP THE ASS
SIDEWAYS.

And ya know...Jesus...I don't think he really much likes it when you
fuck him up the ass sideways. Might wanna keep that in mind.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )