on 6/5/07 8:34 pm, inez wrote:


Unfortunately I don't really know how to overcome some of the separating
issues that get thrown up by acrobat etc. In the past I would give my quark
file and associated files to the printer and let them do all that magic.

Sounds like something to do with separation handling hasn't been
checked/unchecked in Photoshop at the export end. Perhaps photoshop black
[usually using pms U or C] and quark black [doesn't use pms U or C] aren't
the same - this has happened to me before, where quark imports the photoshop
black as a different colour and separates it as a colour and not as default
black. IyswIm.

I used to test how things separated by printing to the laser as colour seps.
If there was a problem I'd discuss it with the print house who would be
running the thing. They were always happy to accept Quark4 docs and we'd
check the film or proofs very carefully.

amgine wrote:
The Photoshop EPS files were grayscale, not 2-color, to be imported into
a Quark doc that will run 2-color, Process Black and 334. When these
images were resaved as Illustrator EPS they seem to work correctly. I'm
just not sure why one works and the other doesn't:\

Well, this is my client's printer, not mine. I'm not getting paid enough
for my work as it is, so I ain't gonna drive an hour to get to a printer
who doesn't really want me around. These folks don't want to really
work at the prepress side, they just want to print. They usually expect
me to overcome prepress challenges and give them files that go from
Quark to firm. They also don't have inRIP trapping, so I have to triple
check my trap setting before I send. If I send them PDF I end up with
knockout fringe, so I have to upload all my files, images and fonts to
my server (since they have none) over my slow dialup connection.
Therefore I try to make sure I only have to upload once and be done.

My world is held together with chewing gum and duct tape

on 7/5/07 2:30 pm, inez wrote:

If they're just greyscale images I would save them as tiff. Why are you
saving them as epsf? Why are you including vector info as a separate
colour/layer? It might still be something to do with the way photoshop names
its black differently to quark. Try saving the eps file out as a duo or
monotone and see what happens in separation - check the colour palette in
quark for any odd extraneous spot colours. Obviously you've overcome the
issue but it might crop up again.


I would get them to come to me with their proofs. I'd only go to the printer
to pass on press, or if I'd messed up so bad I needed to show my face and
grovel for forgiveness, or if the printers were really nice chaps with good
coffee and being there was nicer than being back in the studio.


Are you doing anything constructive to get away from this situation?

amgine wrote:
These were photos I was turning into photoobjects by adding clipping
paths to mask out the background. Quark 4.11 can handle this method with
CMYK quite well. While I know TIFF can be saved with clipping path,
Quark seem to choke on those sometimes.

They don't even send proofs to their actual client (who is in turn my
client). She can't receive soft proofs because she doesn't have a
computer yet. She's a bit of a technophobe.

Apparently not.

on 9/5/07 8:52 pm, inez wrote:

I've found quark can be very snooty about clipping paths and then, just when
you give up hope, all you have to do is ask it to clip non white areas and
it works like a dream. On the whole though I don't like clipping paths and
prefer to delete the background on the bitmap.

Are you paid enough to care what it looks like?

You truly are a graphic designer!

amgine wrote:
I've found the reverse to be true, when imported into QXP 4.11 and
older. Depending on an alpha channel has given me unexpected results. I
haven't had any problem in Quark with my clipping paths since I left the
newspaper. This, I think, because here at home I always draw my clipping
paths rather that allowing Quark to define them or by lazy selection
methods in PS. The only bump I've hit is with these grayscale images.
Even with those, the clipping paths themselves are recognized by Quark
and work fine. It's just the color seps problem. Now that I know that
Illy EPS works, I'm relieved but baffled I'm happy enough with a
solution though...for now.


I'm barely paid enough to be conscious while I do my work


LOL! I can't seem to prove it though.