Seriously thinking of going PPC because I've just had it with the
instability of Palm OS (from 3.5 to 5.2), but seeing as M$ makes it I
wonder if I won't be jumping out of the fryingpan into the fire.
What's everybody think?

I'm also wondering if it won't have way less
shareware/freeware/everythingware/warez available than Palm OS does -
sorta like PC vs Mac in that respect.

Personal exps. very welcome, but I'm thinking somebody here might know of
a good comparison on a website somewhere (not one of the 8zillion stupid
web forum hits? - jeez I loath web forums!) but more like a chart or table
to really visualize, concise, unbiased.
Anyone know of one?
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Me too was thinking to switch.
If you want some Pros:
VGA-screen now. More computing power. Better integration in the desktop environment(given you are
using Windows). More versatility. Palm is very much concentrating on basic productivity. PPC has
more vendors and a more widespread field in which you can use it.
Software side is nearly as much as Palm. But it tends to have more shareware than freeware.

In article <jlgp119cpckfu5efph773c22on959ejsjt@4ax.com>,
see.my.sig.4.addr@nowhere.com.invalid wrote:
I haven't had that much trouble with Palm instability - Palm IIIe,
IIIxe, Handera 330, and Visor Prism at various times (3.0-4.1).
Depends partly on the software you put on it. I've only been forced
to hard reset about three times in three years, and I keep backups
so that's not a huge deal. I have seen a lot of complaints about
PPC stability, and from what I hear ActiveSync is just not as
reliable as Palm's Hotsync. I only got to play with a PPC for a
short time, though, so I can't really comment on that.

I don't think either are "better" per se, but they focus on different
things. PalmOS isn't multitasking, which limits what it can do without
very clever programming, but the UI is very well optimized for a small
screen. WinCE can multitask, which is nice, but the UI is often
inherited from a desktop and doesn't necessarily work well for a
smaller screen. (Note that even a VGA-resolution screen doesn't totally
solve this... the pixels get *really really small* when the screen is
that dense.)

A modern Palm is a scaled-up organizer. A PPC is sort of a scaled-down
laptop. I'd suggest seeing if you could borrow a PPC for a while and
see if it does what *you* want and/or need...

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The above opinions are probably not those of Compuware Corp.
Yet.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:59:11 -0800, see.my.sig.4.addr wrote:

Well I've never been a Palm user(My pocket computer is more a toy than a
tool) partly due to lack of cheap wireless support(although Best Buy drops
open-box units real cheap, I'm told) and partly because the kind of
features I aim for are expensive on Palm devices(this isn't an issue
anymore, but my requirements haven't changed)
Activesync, as someone else alluded to, is worthless crap. Beaten only by
Casio's proprietary sync because it was confusing to navigate.
My Casio BE-300 went through both before its screen got smashed. Near the
end I was mainly transferring with CF

Linux(Sharp) is harder to deal with sync-wise(Sharp uses MS Activesync,
the third-party ROMs use QtDesktop which is awkward at best) but it allows
a level of remote control beyond anything I've seen(remote shell, ftp, etc
as needed) and there is better sync software to be gotten than MSAS or QT.

Oh, if you're preferring to play games you should go with Windwos Mobile. The games are far more
attracting than Palm. Palm only offers the Zodiac which is great but has only a limited series of
games.

Ray Ingles napsal(a):

Obviously you have absolutely none experience with OS5.

How long ago? I had had an iPAQ H3130 in 2000, and it crashed nowhere
near as often as my new T3 does regularly. I had to softreset about once
a week, but I do have to stab the T3 in the back about 6 times a DAY!
The only apps I use and have installed are CardBackup+CardExport2,
AdobeReader (but no docs currently), the latest version of AvantGo,
Docs2Go 6.761, MobiPocket 4.8, PasswordsPlus, Plucker, Metro (public
transportation router), SmartMaps, Route (Europe road map with router),
Yanoff, ICQ, PiLoc and a driver for UniversalWirelessKeyboard. The
strangest is that it crashes almost exclusively with the FACTORY
applications, namely the SMS.

Don't mix CE and PocketPC. They're completely different systems with
different GUI for a different target and with different architecture and
functionality.
CE is for devices like thin-client desktop terminals, handhelds with
large screen and a keyboard, and for embedded devices like onboard
computers for cars.
PPC is for PDA's and its GUI is optimized for small screen and the use
of stylus.
Saying that WinCE isn't an OS suitable for PDA's is like saying that a
pickup truck is a poor choice for cart racing.

You're obviously forgetting what are today's PDA's used for. When you
market a PDA and say it's capable of replacing ones notebook computer
(which is exactly what PalmOne states on the T3 and T5 flyers), you'll
very quickly come to a conclusion that a beefed-up organizer doesn't
stand up to the task.

Mark
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In article <cvl015$4v3$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>, Marek Stanìk wrote:
Uh, yeah. That *is* what I said, after all. :->

My last Handera 330 was stolen in December. I spent some time looking
at various options (including PPC) and decided for my needs another
H330 was best. While I was Googling I saw multiple reports. Also, at
work a year back Microsoft gave a lot of developers where I work PPC
units for free (PPC 2002). Some of the developers I talked to had real
problems with ActiveSync, some none.

Huh. I've had a lot of resets in the last few days, but only because
I've been developing and testing a system hack. Gotta expect some
problems there. :->

Check for updated drivers there. A bit of Googling turned up problems
with the T3 and that item.

I was speaking of the kernel. The guts of PocketPC is Windows CE, an
entirely different codebase from the NT/200x/XP family. Yes, the PPC
has different UI libraries, but when speaking about multitasking the
OS kernel is relevant.

I *didn't* say that. I said that the GUI is "often inherited from a
desktop." Word and Outlook, for example, were designed with bigger
screens in mind, and had to be shoehorned into a smaller space for
their Pocket equivalents.

I'm not in marketing. My Handera 330 meets all my needs better than
more recent devices. (One biggie... battery life is orders of magnitude
greater.) It almost certainly wouldn't meet *your* needs. I told the OP
to find what would meet *his* needs, that's all. What it says on the
marketing flyer isn't relevant to that.

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"Marek Stanìk" <marekdotstanek@dont.bother.to.spam> wrote in message
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I think you're experiences with Palm are the exception not the rule. I have
had a T3 for about 17 months now. I do occasionally have to hit the reset
button due to program failures but nowhere near 6 times a day, not even 6
times a month! Hotsynch has worked flawlessly from day 1. I don't use all
the applications you use so you might consider removing applications one at
a time to see if perhaps you have a bad one. The apps I use besides the
built-in ones are Palm Reader, D2G, Street Atlas Handheld 2005, Versamail
(w/Bluetooth phone), BTtoggle, and a couple of games. It's usually the games
that crash the Palm more than anything and in one case I know that it's poor
programming by the game developer.

Palm is not perfect, that's for sure, but I would not call it unstable
either.

To the Original Poster,

If gaming is a priority for you I would consider the Zodiac, a Palm based
unit. This unit has better controls for gaming, dual SD slots, bluetooth,
graphics acceleration and it runs all the Palm applications like Calendar,
Contacts etc...

Cheers
TC

Ray Ingles napsal(a):

Just FYI, I'm the one who posted a working solution for T3 to the
PalmOne support forum :-)

Fortunately I personally don't mind having only the skelet of the
document available in the PDA. Some of the functions of for example
Docs2Go (like the ability to sync a document that's been updated both on
a desktop AND the PDA) aren't important to me. But I really miss a
working system level national support in the PalmOS.

Guess you "like" the marketing departments as much as I do :-)

About a year ago it would have, and with some limitations it still might
now. But I'd have a big problem getting used to a slower device :-( If
only the T3 wasn't that much buggy :-(

Mark
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Tony Clark napsal(a):

I have this scheduled for the second week of March. Just too much work
right now. But even finding the faulty app won't help me much, as I use
all of them often and I'd have to find a replacement.

Interestingly, none of the games I have installed is causing that :-)
They event weren't on the device until last Thursday. If it's
app-related, it's some of the apps, and AFAIK none of them is native to
OS5; they're all OS4.x. I'm afraid that's the root cause and even
thinking of having to find replacements makes me feel sick.

Mark
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"Marek Stanìk" <marekdotstanek@dont.bother.to.spam> wrote in message
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game. The main issue is if the T3 is not fully extended when you start up
the game the bottom half of the screen stays dark and you cannot get to the
menu selections to abort the game. Once you have the T3 open it seems to
play just fine, it's just that I always seem to start the game from the
closed position causing me to have to reboot the T3 to recover.

TC