"Patrick Page" <patspage@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have installed to the point where Device Manager sees it and says it's
>working properly. At the moment of truth, when I connect my drives to the
>card and restart, Windows sees the drives as Secondary (not Primary) and
>hangs. How do I get the drives to be seen as primary?
>
> --
> Patrick S Page
> PO Box 1212
> Morongo Valley, CA 92256-1212
>
> PatSPage@Hotmail.com
> 760.363.0062
>

Primary and secondary are determined by what IDE connector on the board the
cable is connected to. Assuming there are 2 connectors. If there is only one
connector, it may be that it's hardwired to be a secondary.

And just in case you're confusing primary/secondary with master/slave, those
setting are controlled by jumpers on the drive, and if you chose cable
select, it then is controlled by the position on the cable.

Last, there's probably no compelling reason for a drive to be on the primary
as opposed the secondary, especially considering you have Windows already
installed.

Is there some problem you're having, or is this just some sort of
housekeeping issue you're trying to straighten out?

On the contrary, the most compelling reason would be that most new HD's use
UDMA 5 mode (primary IDE channel) and CD/DVD ROM/RW's use UDMA 2 mode
(secondary IDE channel) If you mix HD's and CD/DVD devices on the same
channel you are more apt to have conflicts between devices on another
channel..It is a better idea to keep HD's on the primary channel master/slave
or computer select and likewise for CD/DVD on the secondary channel, which in
turn creates less conflict and confusion for the OS...
j;-j

"D.Currie" wrote:

>
> "Patrick Page" <patspage@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uSmpUPJwFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >I have installed to the point where Device Manager sees it and says it's
> >working properly. At the moment of truth, when I connect my drives to the
> >card and restart, Windows sees the drives as Secondary (not Primary) and
> >hangs. How do I get the drives to be seen as primary?
> >
> > --
> > Patrick S Page
> > PO Box 1212
> > Morongo Valley, CA 92256-1212
> >
> > PatSPage@Hotmail.com
> > 760.363.0062
> >
>
> Primary and secondary are determined by what IDE connector on the board the
> cable is connected to. Assuming there are 2 connectors. If there is only one
> connector, it may be that it's hardwired to be a secondary.
>
> And just in case you're confusing primary/secondary with master/slave, those
> setting are controlled by jumpers on the drive, and if you chose cable
> select, it then is controlled by the position on the cable.
>
> Last, there's probably no compelling reason for a drive to be on the primary
> as opposed the secondary, especially considering you have Windows already
> installed.
>
> Is there some problem you're having, or is this just some sort of
> housekeeping issue you're trying to straighten out?
>
>
>

>> "Patrick Page" <patspage@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uSmpUPJwFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >I have installed to the point where Device Manager sees it and says it's
>> >working properly. At the moment of truth, when I connect my drives to
>> >the
>> >card and restart, Windows sees the drives as Secondary (not Primary) and
>> >hangs. How do I get the drives to be seen as primary?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Patrick S Page
>> > PO Box 1212
>> > Morongo Valley, CA 92256-1212
>> >
>> > PatSPage@Hotmail.com
>> > 760.363.0062


> "D.Currie" wrote:
>> Primary and secondary are determined by what IDE connector on the board
>> the
>> cable is connected to. Assuming there are 2 connectors. If there is only
>> one
>> connector, it may be that it's hardwired to be a secondary.
>>
>> And just in case you're confusing primary/secondary with master/slave,
>> those
>> setting are controlled by jumpers on the drive, and if you chose cable
>> select, it then is controlled by the position on the cable.
>>
>> Last, there's probably no compelling reason for a drive to be on the
>> primary
>> as opposed the secondary, especially considering you have Windows already
>> installed.
>>
>> Is there some problem you're having, or is this just some sort of
>> housekeeping issue you're trying to straighten out?


"Jaymon" <Jaymon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F9B002DB-E0A5-45BC-B18A-BBC43EA1C0B7@microsoft.com...
> On the contrary, the most compelling reason would be that most new HD's
> use
> UDMA 5 mode (primary IDE channel) and CD/DVD ROM/RW's use UDMA 2 mode
> (secondary IDE channel) If you mix HD's and CD/DVD devices on the same
> channel you are more apt to have conflicts between devices on another
> channel..It is a better idea to keep HD's on the primary channel
> master/slave
> or computer select and likewise for CD/DVD on the secondary channel, which
> in
> turn creates less conflict and confusion for the OS...
> j;-j
Jaymon:


Jaymon:
Mr. Currie is most certainly correct. In another thread you basically
repeated what you're stating now. It was incorrect then; it's incorrect now.

As I stated in my reply to your posting in the other thread...

With relatively modern motherboards & components the Primary IDE channel can
be used to connect *any* IDE/ATAPI device whatsoever without any performance
issue being raised. There's *no* reason why an optical drive cannot be
connected to the Slave position on the Primary IDE channel. It will not
affect its performance one iota. If, for some reason, the physical layout of
the motherboard makes it more convenient to connect an optical drive to the
Primary Slave position, there's no harm in doing so. And similarly, there's
no problem performance-wise if a secondary HD is connected anywhere on the
Secondary IDE channel. Years & years ago, there *could be* a performance
issue with these type of connections, but that time has long since past.

It *is* true that all things considered, it's always (or nearly always) best
to connect the booting HD to the Primary Master position. But this is only
because some motherboards (a very few) do have a problem when the bootable
drive is located on a position other than PM. But it's probably a moot
point, since you would be hard-pressed to find a booting HD that's connected
to a position *other" than the PM one.

The ULTRA-5 mode is available on *both* IDE channels. Other than the booting
HD being normally connected to the Primary Master position as noted above,
there are *no* compelling reasons to connect hard drives on the primary IDE
channel and optical drives on the secondary IDE channel. There will *not* be
more "conflict and confusion for the OS" nor will there be any performance
degradation should a HD be connected on the secondary IDE channel and an
optical drive on the primary IDE channel.
Anna

"Anna" <myname@myisp.net> wrote in message
news:%23AEZPUhwFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>>> "Patrick Page" <patspage@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uSmpUPJwFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> >I have installed to the point where Device Manager sees it and says
>>> >it's
>>> >working properly. At the moment of truth, when I connect my drives to
>>> >the
>>> >card and restart, Windows sees the drives as Secondary (not Primary)
>>> >and
>>> >hangs. How do I get the drives to be seen as primary?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Patrick S Page
>>> > PO Box 1212
>>> > Morongo Valley, CA 92256-1212
>>> >
>>> > PatSPage@Hotmail.com
>>> > 760.363.0062
>
>
>> "D.Currie" wrote:
>>> Primary and secondary are determined by what IDE connector on the board
>>> the
>>> cable is connected to. Assuming there are 2 connectors. If there is only
>>> one
>>> connector, it may be that it's hardwired to be a secondary.
>>>
>>> And just in case you're confusing primary/secondary with master/slave,
>>> those
>>> setting are controlled by jumpers on the drive, and if you chose cable
>>> select, it then is controlled by the position on the cable.
>>>
>>> Last, there's probably no compelling reason for a drive to be on the
>>> primary
>>> as opposed the secondary, especially considering you have Windows
>>> already
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> Is there some problem you're having, or is this just some sort of
>>> housekeeping issue you're trying to straighten out?
>
>
> "Jaymon" <Jaymon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F9B002DB-E0A5-45BC-B18A-BBC43EA1C0B7@microsoft.com...
>> On the contrary, the most compelling reason would be that most new HD's
>> use
>> UDMA 5 mode (primary IDE channel) and CD/DVD ROM/RW's use UDMA 2 mode
>> (secondary IDE channel) If you mix HD's and CD/DVD devices on the same
>> channel you are more apt to have conflicts between devices on another
>> channel..It is a better idea to keep HD's on the primary channel
>> master/slave
>> or computer select and likewise for CD/DVD on the secondary channel,
>> which in
>> turn creates less conflict and confusion for the OS...
>> j;-j
> Jaymon:
>
>
> Jaymon:
> Mr. Currie is most certainly correct. In another thread you basically
> repeated what you're stating now. It was incorrect then; it's incorrect
> now.
>
> As I stated in my reply to your posting in the other thread...
>
> With relatively modern motherboards & components the Primary IDE channel
> can
> be used to connect *any* IDE/ATAPI device whatsoever without any
> performance
> issue being raised. There's *no* reason why an optical drive cannot be
> connected to the Slave position on the Primary IDE channel. It will not
> affect its performance one iota. If, for some reason, the physical layout
> of
> the motherboard makes it more convenient to connect an optical drive to
> the
> Primary Slave position, there's no harm in doing so. And similarly,
> there's
> no problem performance-wise if a secondary HD is connected anywhere on the
> Secondary IDE channel. Years & years ago, there *could be* a performance
> issue with these type of connections, but that time has long since past.
>
> It *is* true that all things considered, it's always (or nearly always)
> best to connect the booting HD to the Primary Master position. But this is
> only because some motherboards (a very few) do have a problem when the
> bootable drive is located on a position other than PM. But it's probably a
> moot point, since you would be hard-pressed to find a booting HD that's
> connected to a position *other" than the PM one.
>
> The ULTRA-5 mode is available on *both* IDE channels. Other than the
> booting HD being normally connected to the Primary Master position as
> noted above, there are *no* compelling reasons to connect hard drives on
> the primary IDE channel and optical drives on the secondary IDE channel.
> There will *not* be more "conflict and confusion for the OS" nor will
> there be any performance degradation should a HD be connected on the
> secondary IDE channel and an optical drive on the primary IDE channel.
> Anna
>
>

Thanks, Anna. The other thing that seems to have gotten lost in the
conversation is that the OP is talking about an additional drive on an
add-on card, and there was no mention of CD drives, so I'm not sure why
that's even come into play.

Old habits die hard...
j:-/

"Anna" wrote:

>
> >> "Patrick Page" <patspage@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uSmpUPJwFHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >I have installed to the point where Device Manager sees it and says it's
> >> >working properly. At the moment of truth, when I connect my drives to
> >> >the
> >> >card and restart, Windows sees the drives as Secondary (not Primary) and
> >> >hangs. How do I get the drives to be seen as primary?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Patrick S Page
> >> > PO Box 1212
> >> > Morongo Valley, CA 92256-1212
> >> >
> >> > PatSPage@Hotmail.com
> >> > 760.363.0062
>
>
> > "D.Currie" wrote:
> >> Primary and secondary are determined by what IDE connector on the board
> >> the
> >> cable is connected to. Assuming there are 2 connectors. If there is only
> >> one
> >> connector, it may be that it's hardwired to be a secondary.
> >>
> >> And just in case you're confusing primary/secondary with master/slave,
> >> those
> >> setting are controlled by jumpers on the drive, and if you chose cable
> >> select, it then is controlled by the position on the cable.
> >>
> >> Last, there's probably no compelling reason for a drive to be on the
> >> primary
> >> as opposed the secondary, especially considering you have Windows already
> >> installed.
> >>
> >> Is there some problem you're having, or is this just some sort of
> >> housekeeping issue you're trying to straighten out?
>
>
> "Jaymon" <Jaymon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F9B002DB-E0A5-45BC-B18A-BBC43EA1C0B7@microsoft.com...
> > On the contrary, the most compelling reason would be that most new HD's
> > use
> > UDMA 5 mode (primary IDE channel) and CD/DVD ROM/RW's use UDMA 2 mode
> > (secondary IDE channel) If you mix HD's and CD/DVD devices on the same
> > channel you are more apt to have conflicts between devices on another
> > channel..It is a better idea to keep HD's on the primary channel
> > master/slave
> > or computer select and likewise for CD/DVD on the secondary channel, which
> > in
> > turn creates less conflict and confusion for the OS...
> > j;-j
> Jaymon:
>
>
> Jaymon:
> Mr. Currie is most certainly correct. In another thread you basically
> repeated what you're stating now. It was incorrect then; it's incorrect now.
>
> As I stated in my reply to your posting in the other thread...
>
> With relatively modern motherboards & components the Primary IDE channel can
> be used to connect *any* IDE/ATAPI device whatsoever without any performance
> issue being raised. There's *no* reason why an optical drive cannot be
> connected to the Slave position on the Primary IDE channel. It will not
> affect its performance one iota. If, for some reason, the physical layout of
> the motherboard makes it more convenient to connect an optical drive to the
> Primary Slave position, there's no harm in doing so. And similarly, there's
> no problem performance-wise if a secondary HD is connected anywhere on the
> Secondary IDE channel. Years & years ago, there *could be* a performance
> issue with these type of connections, but that time has long since past.
>
> It *is* true that all things considered, it's always (or nearly always) best
> to connect the booting HD to the Primary Master position. But this is only
> because some motherboards (a very few) do have a problem when the bootable
> drive is located on a position other than PM. But it's probably a moot
> point, since you would be hard-pressed to find a booting HD that's connected
> to a position *other" than the PM one.
>
> The ULTRA-5 mode is available on *both* IDE channels. Other than the booting
> HD being normally connected to the Primary Master position as noted above,
> there are *no* compelling reasons to connect hard drives on the primary IDE
> channel and optical drives on the secondary IDE channel. There will *not* be
> more "conflict and confusion for the OS" nor will there be any performance
> degradation should a HD be connected on the secondary IDE channel and an
> optical drive on the primary IDE channel.
> Anna
>
>
>