letoured@nospam.net wrote:
<snip>
Interpretation: ed omits that everything made available to SWC users was
also available to eComStation users at no additional charge, before
eComStation 1.1 was delivered. The enhancements made in eComStation 1.1
are not available through IBM distribution.

It is a simple matter to buy eComStation, and get the current supported
version of OS/2; access to the same drivers and fixes distributed by IBM
as well as additional software provided for the convenience of our users.

But ... if it is worth it to the user to pay two or three times as much
so the same software can be ordered directly from IBM .. along with the
requirement to renew the subscription at the end of 12 months ... that
is another option available to the users who crack the code on how to
order, assuming the option is available in their geography.

I think it's great that users have this choice available to them. In the
mean time, Serenity Systems is busy working on additional projects for
eComStation users, including the OpenOffice.org for OS/2 and a virtual
machine application with the best support for OS/2 in the industry.

Some would find fault with that ... but you have to wonder why.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
Sure it was. Drivers, fixes, updates, all available for download at no
additional charge ... and without the need to renew a subscription.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
<snip>
Then you can provide product numbers and prices to support this. For
example, OS/2 with one year of support from IBM is $310 US .. perhaps
more in other geographies. And $165 for a one year after license support
agreement. These would compare to $199 for eComStation Entry 1.1 and $89
for the upgrade from Warp 4.

Pretty straightforward indicator that eComStation is less expensive.

btw .. wrong on the enterprise account comment, too.

<snip>
OpenOffice.org is the current branding of Sun's office suite. Apparently
Sun had difficulty with "Open Office" branding. The OS/2 support for
this product will be available through the Serenity Systems distribution
channel, to all users.



Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
OK .. let's get specific ... do you have any idea what you are talking
about? What did eComStation users have to wait for? Nada .. nothing. It
was all available. More to the point, the eComStation user didn't have
to pay anything additional. It was part of the base entitlement.

In fact, it still is. If IBM releases a driver, etc, eComStation users
who haven't purchased anything since November 2000 will still be able to
download the update.

The enhancements of eComStation 1.1 were not driven by enhancements made
to OS/2 by IBM. While MCP1, OS/2 4.51, had some significant enhancments
.... MCP2 (4.52) was a collection of fixes and drivers. Users could reach
the same system level by applying the fixpack, which was provided to
them at no additional charge.

If they needed a driver .. it was available to them at no additional
charge. The fact is .. eComStation users didn't wait .. and didn't pay.
However, folks using the IBM distribution have had to renew their
subscriptions ... and they will need to continue that process.

That's fine .. that's their choice. However, Serenity Systems was able
to provide these same updates and no additional charge .. and the beat
goes on.

That's the fact ... no waits, no subscriptions, no additional fees. Just
access to current software. And it's only going to get better for
eComStation users.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
LOL .. fine ... tell that to the guys who posted that they had pay over
$200 .. and it still doesn't beat $89 and $0.

Another, bigger LOL. And now we are down to it ... "steal this software"
... then it doesn't cost a thing. Since that is your fall back position,
why not apply it to OS/2, generally. Why discuss pricing at all?

Said it here before, we don't recognize thieves as a market. Good luck.

Regardsm
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
It's "bated" breath ... as in "abated breath" .. as in "I'm holding my
breath" ... and "no". But I still appreciate the entertainment value you
provide.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

The OS/2 Guy wrote:

Can you please point us to a URL showing this great offer?

In <3FB2F1FF.7050801@Augustmail.com>, on 11/12/2003
at 08:52 PM, "Bob St.John" <Serenity@Augustmail.com> said:

When the IRS wants to see how you work, I suggest that you stop lying and
start telling the truth booby.








It

In <3FB2F330.2040406@Augustmail.com>, on 11/12/2003
at 08:57 PM, "Bob St.John" <Serenity@Augustmail.com> said:

Another lie booby. Your price is (at best) $89 plus shipping from Europe.
The IBM price is $190 with no shipping and a real copy of OS2. And if
one tries to buy ecs from a few suppliers in Canada [are they still in
business or did they fold?] and elsewhere, the price, as delivered is the
same or higher then a real copy of OS2 from IBM.

The rest of your lies are ignored.

In <3FB2F3AE.5000002@Augustmail.com>, on 11/12/2003
at 08:59 PM, "Bob St.John" <Serenity@Augustmail.com> said:

Stop lying asshole. You have no ecs enterprise customers. You never did.
You started off with the idea of vertical applications with a cheaper copy
of OS2. -- Its a failed concept because no one in their right mind is
going to bet the company on an operating system with a liar leading the
way -- who refuses to document what is different between it and OS2 from
IBM.

The other truth about your claimed ecs enterprise customers is this; The
only application that came close to becoming a vertical application was a
customer clone of Review. In the process -- with you leading the way with
your false promises and snake oil marketing, you drove STi over the edge
and into oblivion leaving thousands of existing Review customers with
databases that cannot be recovered.

Its time for you stop your lying and tell the truth for once. -- You
have no ecs enterpise customers. You need to stop lying about it.

In <3FB2EFBD.8030905@Augustmail.com>, on 11/12/2003
at 08:43 PM, "Bob St.John" <Serenity@Augustmail.com> said:


Stop trying to mislead people booby. You know -- or should if you were a
real professional -- that OS2 from IBM is $190 for the relicense, with no
shipping.


perhaps
That price does not include shipping that will cost the use another $25.



For a bastardized copy of OS2 -- that you refuse to go on the record and
state if it is the same thing as OS2 from IBM or not.

You're a snake oil salesman! You have no integrity. You also have no
business or you would not have the time to spend several hours a day on
internet newsgroups. You're a flop!

In <3FB2EB54.9050808@Augustmail.com>, on 11/12/2003
at 08:24 PM, "Bob St.John" <Serenity@Augustmail.com> said:


Translation: It was a year later -- but booby wants to hid the fact that
it took he and his partner -- the not so brilliant programmer
kimmy-its-all-the-fault-of-IBM, who took a whole freeking year to reissue
a CD that they got from IBM!

He had to give away the new stuff to existing customers because he
stupidly made the promise. He continues to do so, but refuses to state
clearly what the policy is, he just plans on changing it when the suckers
are not looking. And the the real reason for the current give way is; its
the only marketing gimmick he has left. He can't sell this thing to anyone
at all without it -- and he needs every new sucker he can get to cash
float the pyramid a bit longer.

This whole operation is bankrupt (and the real reason booby still has the
office in the garage after 5 years). Its also one of the reasons why
there is no official company selling ecs. He's a DBA -- with no assets.
His creditors and customers are going to be left holding an empty bag.

In <3FB2CFB1.5040007@Augustmail.com>, on 11/12/2003
at 06:26 PM, "Bob St.John" <Serenity@Augustmail.com> said:

What enhancements booby -- you rfsuse to tell anyone. You say buy it and
see. (Try that with the IRS!). You have produced one driver in 5 year
years of work. It has a freeware replacement. You have produced an
installer that wasn't needed, and sometimes works, sometimes doesn't with
no support when it fails.

That is your record.


The rest of your lies are ignored.

Steve Wendt schrieb:

Duuh, was I silly to pay € 355,00 of SWC.

Herwig

In <3fb36317$0$26192$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.te lekom.at>, on
11/13/2003
at 11:55 AM, Herwig Bauernfeind
<herwig.no_desire_for_spam.bauernfeind@aon.at> said:

Show us when you paid that and what you actually got for it -- and from
what location.

letoured@nospam.net wrote:

The $310 is the current US price for OS/2 with one year of support. The
$190 is a one year after license agreement, plus media, which requires
the user to have obtained the license first. I guess we'll excuse you
for not knowing that since you are not "a real professional". Of
course, I'm not sure what excuse we can fabricate for you on all the
other silly things you say.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems

letoured@nospam.net schrieb:
I paid on 18.03.2003 to my IBM reseller.
I received a bunch of CD's (MCP1, MCP2 plus Reserved Features in several languages).
The package came from Lotus/IBM in Ireland.

Herwig

Bob St.John wrote:
And what is the price the IBM OS/2 customer has to pay for the next year
of OS/2 - subscription to have access for updates?

After we notice that we can compare the costs to an eCS 1.1 license.

Regards

Karlheinz

letoured@nospam.net wrote:

<snip>


I bought eCS 1.1 upgrade from Warp 4 in Central Europe ("elsewhere")
for approx 110 euro. That's certainly higher! :-)))))

Cheers,
Martin

Karlheinz Schmidthaus wrote:
Right now I believe renewals of the agreement are about $45 per year. At
this time, eComStation users are not paying annual fees.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems