Other than the v7 appears to have been designed by Apple.

I'm currently throwing money at routers to see which one works best on my
long line. If they are the same internals Id prefer to get a v7. Providing
DMT Tool works with it!

--

WCZ

"WCZ" <Dav123456@willnotwork.com> wrote in message
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How long is the line?

If it's more than 8km I would be surprised if you can get any sort of ADSL
service ...

-- Graham J

Graham J wrote:
Its close to that. I get 1Mb at the moment. A 2Wire 2700 gives nearly
1.25Mb. My thinking is if I can tweak the SNR I should be able to get the
64kb I need to get into that 1.25 IP Profile. But for that I need an SNR
tweakable router and the 2Wire doesn't seem to allow it.

--

WCZ

"WCZ" <Dav123456@willnotwork.com> wrote in message
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Have you tried all the improvement options with your wiring &
microfilter(s) - see the many postings in this ng for details?

Who is your ISP? A technically competent ISP should be able to get BT to
optimise the phone wiring between your property and the BT exchange.

-- Graham J

Graham J wrote:
More fiddling is on my list of things to do. At the moment my line is
gradually degrading and the sync will drop below 1Mb the next time I reboot
the router (this is on a Netgear DG834Gv3, I've not got the 2Wire fully
configured yet). I have an ADSLNation filter plugged into the test socket
at the moment so I'm not expecting any big gains to be found but the
degradation could be a slowly failing filter so I'll give it a go. I'm also
going to get a shielded RJ11 cable to replace the flat one.

ADSL24 which is Entanet. I've not approached them yet as I thought trying
to get BT to do what you say is next to impossible.

The issue with the line is that it takes the longest route possible to my
house. I'm 3km on foot from the exchange, a bit longer if you take the main
roads but when I asked a BT engineer a few years back he said it was over
7km in length. As you say, I'm amazed it works at all.

--

WCZ

I've been working on optimising.
Putting the router next to the master socket is the first step
then you can use a 6 or 12 inch RJ11 to RJ11 lead (and
run CAT5 from the router - but how you distribute from the
router is up to you).
With a long line there is nothing you can do about the
local loop, all you can work on is the SNR.
Keep all things with magnetic fields, power cubes,
the PSU for the router, as far as possible from the router.
You don't want the wiring and small signal (across
the line) tranformers on
the routers PCB picking up induced noise.
The signal level at the higher end of the frequency
range is very small.
In the domestic environment low energy lamps have
a pair of transistors oscillating as a square wave
generator nicely into the frequency range just
above audio, hair dryers with their commutator
motors are also electrically noisy.
What can happen is you get a burst of noise,
your rate gets knocked back, and it takes
3 to 5 days before it gets raised again.
So eliminate anything that can act as an aerial.
Swapping different routers in and out seems
to force a retrain, so line may come back
at a higher, but sometimes short lived rate.
My BT router gives me a lot of information
about both upstream, and downstream
parameters, Dratek only gives downstream,
though its spectrum display is useful.
Draytek with UK2 long and difficult line flash
seems the most stable. All the UK2 flash
seems to do is up the gain, probaly because
on a long high loss line there is no chance
of overloading the front end. It seems to assume
a sending end level, so by upping the gain
it reports a lower attenuation (which ain't so,
atten is a line parameter) as well as a better
SNR which is probably true as lifting the gain
probably lifts the all important top end of the
HF signal above the noise.
You can chain filters, just make sure you plug
the RJ11 into the first one.
Don't load the phone side down with too high
a REN, lowering the impedance on the phones
side seems to affect the ADSL side.

"WCZ" <Dav123456@willnotwork.com> wrote in message
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It's not impossible at all. But you do need a competent ISP. I've no
experience with Entanet so can't coment ...

-- Graham J

"Graham J" <graham@nospam.zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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Who would you recommend for looking at this kind of thing? I'm only on a 1
month contract with ADSL24 so can easily move.

--

WCZ

On 10 May, 11:47, "Graham J" <gra...@nospam.zen.co.uk> wrote:

Well I use Entanet for both my home,my business and some of my
customers (I use them for difficult installs) and find them to have
very good support (in the provisioning area at least).

But I would be reluctant to ask them (or any other ISP),to request BT
wholesale/openreach look into a matter like this. I would imagine that
BT would be rather reluctant to go on what's basically a line tweaking
exercise at probably quite a considerable expense,in order to increase
a end users speed when the end user was already getting 1MB. From the
end users point of view they may also find themselves lumped with a
engineers bill.

Good luck to the OP in increasing your connection speed,I'm still on
512K (was Exchange Activate),waiting for BTs ordering systems to
update (exchange is now full build) so my regrades can go through
(Enta place the order, BT reject it,BT are giving Enta the run around)

Martin

"WCZ" <WCZ@wilnotwork1234.com> wrote in message
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I'm with UKFSN, another Entanet reseller like ADSL24. I had lots of noisy
line problems after joining UKFSN due to automatically being upgraded from
2Mbs (Nildram) to 8Mbs. UKFSN sorted out a BT engineer visit no problem,
but I really do think it all depends on how good an engineer you get, the
one I was lucky enough to get spent ages sorting it all out mainly by
finding a spare line pair with good SNR.

[snip]
I use Zen, but I hear good things of Andrews & Arnold, and my namesake here
recommends Idnet.

Why not ring their technical support people and explain that you are
considering migrating to them provided that they can suggest a sensible
procedure for improving the line performance. That way you can get a feel
for their capabilities before committing yourself. You might have to ring
sales first and explain why you need to talk to somebody technical.

-- Graham J

Martin Warby wrote:
I wouldn't call it line tweaking, more finding a different better line. BT
know what lines they have and for all I know they may now have a much
shorter bundle of cables coming my way which I could be switched onto.

I think BT need a process for this kind of work as with ADSL2+ giving 24Mb
and talk to up to 50Mb as a theoretical maximum the difference between the
haves and have nots is going to me massive. I still think it's absolutely
rediculous that the only way to improve BB speed is to move house.

I assume from this you are going to end up on something significantly faster
than 512. You may think differently if 512 was going to be maximum you were
ever going to get.

--

WCZ

Graham J wrote:
Well you don't get what you don't ask for. I shall make some enquiries.

--

WCZ

On 12 May, 08:18, "WCZ" <Dav123...@willnotwork.com> wrote:
Well actually when I get the upgrade for my home line I will probably
be getting 1 - 2 meg (checker estimates 1mb),you are already one
1.25Mb so you I suspect our speeds won't differ too much. The
unfortunate fact with all broadband connections is that they run on
cable which was never designed to anything other than voice. It's
simply not worth it for BT openreach/wholesale to spend what could
easily be a couple of hours(a couple of hundred at least in BT
internal money) tweaking a line so you get say 2-3mb rather than
1.25mb.

Martin

On 12 May, 08:18, "WCZ" <Dav123...@willnotwork.com> wrote:

I think the only viable way forward to even out the broadband speed
devide is to push fibre out inot the local loop. You could start with
FTTN(fibre to the neighbourhood) this would allow most people to get
say 10mb with adsl2, you then move to FTTK (fibre to the kerb) which
could allow 50-100mb with VDSL,finally you move to FTTP (fibre to the
premises) which would allow for gigabit (and probably more by then)
connections.

My feeling is that the longer (and more money) we spend mucking about
with a aging copper network,the further behind we'll fall and the more
it'll cost

Martin

What it needs is to take the underground plant out of BT's
hands and into an independent distribution body, who
could put in fibre (and blown fibre bundles) then rent
the fibre to ISP's.
Each ISP putting in its own fibre isn't really viable.

On 12 May, 11:44, ato_...@hotmail.com wrote:
I thought that was roughly the idea of Openreach ?

Martin

Openreach is part of BT and ISP's are in competition
with BT, so BT (whichever arm it is), isn't going to
put in fibre for the competition to use. Openreach
isn't independent.
1, or more, 12 fibre bundles (2mm dia per bundle)
shared between ISP's and we would soon be
rolling out fibre to the kerb.
What kills the Virgin/Telewest model is the cost of
new ducting to overlay the BT owned ducting
It would also be the enabling technology for WiMax,
though the cost and number of basestations needed
in urban areas makes WiMax a less atractive commercial
proposition.
Which is why the underground plant needs to be
taken out of BT's hands and put into the hands of an
independent body, or, the government wants to stop
talking about how we are lagging behind the rest
of the world and do the job itself (not that I have
any confidence in the government to run anything).

On 12 May, 15:15, ato_...@hotmail.com wrote:
Maybe openreach should be nationalised ?

Martin

ato_zee@hotmail.com wrote:

We've already had that & look how it's ended up......

You apparently forget that the same network is also used for
the vast majority of voice calls as well (It don't matter
who the end user's paying it's still the same network) &
once again I can say we've already had that & look how it's
ended up.

BT aka Openreach do have some type of plan for pushing fibre
into the local but unless they can get guarantees that all
the third party carriers would not be allowed to cherry pick
& that BT would be allowed to recoup it's costs plus profits
(of course) I very much doubt if it will be any time soon.