I'm scheduled to receive BT Broadband on 21/8. I currently have two phone
lines and two ISP accounts (one with BT Internet).

I'm planning on stopping my second line and cancelling both of my current
ISP accounts. Does that make sense?

Cheers.

Bobby

Bobby wrote:
Not wishing to be rude, but it makes sense if that is what you want to
achieve and makes no sense if that is not what you want to achieve.

Really, noone can say what "makes sense" for you without some idea of
what end result you are trying to obtain.

e.g. if you wanted to be able to make/receieve two phone calls at once,
cancelling on of your only two phone lines would not make sense!

--
_ Rev. Adrian Kennard, Andrews & Arnold Ltd / AAISP
(_) _| _ . _ _ ADSL, fixed IP, monthly contract http://adsl.ms/
( )(_|( |(_|| ) SpliceCom VoIP based PABXs http://aa.nu/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bond two ADSL lines? http://www.FireBrick.info/

"Rev Adrian Kennard" <'@o.gg> wrote in message
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But if like the majority of us he simply wants to receive/ make calls whilst
on the internet or have a faster connection speed it makes perfect sense

Eddie Grant wrote:
Indeed - but without knowing what he wants, who can say what makes sense.

e.g. having two lines and two (presumably) dialup accounts is not
related. It could be two lines as he uses dialup and the phone at the
same time. It could be because he has a fax machine.

You just can't say without more information. You can't say what the
"majority" have.


--
_ Rev. Adrian Kennard, Andrews & Arnold Ltd / AAISP
(_) _| _ . _ _ ADSL, fixed IP, monthly contract http://adsl.ms/
( )(_|( |(_|| ) SpliceCom VoIP based PABXs http://aa.nu/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bond two ADSL lines? http://www.FireBrick.info/

"Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
news:bev2qf$6e7$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
It would make sense to do neither until you are sure you line has/will pass
the line loss test.

Jc.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:58 +0100, "Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote:

to me.

Andrew.

Andrew,

I guess you are right !, Bobby, you should consider joining another ISP
(which are just batter then BT), try this link :www.adrenalist.com

Izi

aep@nospam wrote:

"Izi" <is_med1@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Why are other ISPs 'batter' than BT Broadband especially when BT Broadband
aren't an ISP anyway, more an IAP.

Do you mean BT Openworld, which is a completely different offering?

What is the bad record with BT Broadband that at least 1 other poster
mentioned?

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 06:33:31 +0000 (UTC), "Hugh M Janus"
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

less money you can get a good ISP without the download limits.

Andrew.

<aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message
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Thank you for clearing up the "bad record" statement, which appeared in this
thread.

I guess it's down to individual choice at the end of the day but, it seems
to annoy some people that BT Broadband is chosen by some and it annoys me
when some people seem to suggest the people like me are mad or at the very
least daft for choosing BT Broadband.

I have been with Bt Broadband since it started and never even come remotely
near the massive 1Gb per day limit myself and have had a constant connection
without a single thing to complain about.

Hugh

"Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
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I would suggest downgrading your ISP accounts to a PAYG type (e.g. by using an
0345 or 0845 number) rather than cancelling them completely.

That way you will probably be able to continue to retrieve POP3 email whilst
connected to your ADSL ISP using your old email addresses.

You may need to dial the PAYG number every 3 months or so just to keep the
account live.

The again you may want to bin the accounts to avoid the spam you were getting.


Michael Chare

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:51:42 UTC, "Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote:

No...it gives you NOTHING except a very expensive connection.


--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325*4; PS/2s 9585, 8595, 9595*2, 8580*3,
P70, PC/AT..

In article <176uZD2KcidF-pn2-1H10rgHxVFqI@rikki.tavi.co.uk>,
rde42@spamcop.net (Bob Eager) wrote:

if you downgrade to PAYG you will still be able to access the pop3 and
smtp servers of BTO !!

I know, 'cause I do ;-)

It doesn't give you a web server, but you can do that yourself.


- Steve

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:35:42 UTC, "Hugh M Janus" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

I'm not getting into an argument here. I'll let you get on with
it....money down the drain though.

--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325*4; PS/2s 9585, 8595, 9595*2, 8580*3,
P70, PC/AT..

"Hugh M Janus" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bf5g3u$lds$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hugh

This web site may add some facts to this discussion.

http://www.oftel.gov.uk/publications...r/comp0603.htm

HTH

eric

"Eric Parker" <eric.parker.spamless@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:sbtRa.11028$ju6.205523@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...

Don't see how Eric, BT Broadband isn't on the list, only BT Openworld which
is totally different and I agree that the service is reputed to be less than
ideal at times.

--
Hugh

"Bob Eager" <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-0rdUfJtxYVUd@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
I didn't start it Bob. I merely asked a question about the statements being
made without foundation or evidence.

It's my money but thank you for the concern over my Bank balance. Don't
worry though, there's plenty more in the shoebox under the bed.

--
Hugh

Has BT Broadband actually been available for over 1 year? I seem to
recall it was released on the unsuspecting users in the last 12
months...

--
B-)
Life is pain.....
Deal with it!!

"Hugh M Janus" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bf69hi$rg6$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hugh

My mistake. Need to be more careful. I thought I had.

Regards

eric

"Kraftee" <kraftee@bogoffspammer.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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<snipped>

Longish, sorry!

BT Broadband was available from early 2002 and far from being released to
the "unsuspecting" users, it was fully detailed on BT's website with a full
description of what was on offer. The other offering was BT Openworld, which
is the better known and completely separate service.

BT Broadband are an IAP (Internet Access Provider) whereas BT Openworld is
an ISP.

BT did do a lot of advertising later in 2002 and early 2003 and used to term
"BT Broadband" as a rather generic description i.e. it's from "BT" and it is
a "Broadband" service. Users who used the Internet to sign up were clearly
advised of the difference between BT Broadband and BT Openworld but, I
suspect and have heard anecdotal evidence to the effect that users who
signed up via the telephone were automatically signed up with BT Openworld
although this was not always the case. I may be wrong with the last
statement but, this is what I understand.

One other factor in the early days of BT Broadband was the lack of
information about other re-sellers of the BT Wholesale product and there
were lots of stories about other ISP's problem getting the service connected
as it seemed that BT were giving preference to their own customers although
I have no evidence to show that this was the case.

Lack of reliable information led to many users signing up with BT Broadband
for "peace of mind", rightly or wrongly and as the contract period is 12
months minimum, they had no way of changing until that period is up.

Since the early days, things have improved and a lot more ISPs offer
Broadband but, the market is by no means stable and there are still
companies offering unsustainable packages.

I saw some figures recently (can't remember where) the said about 1 Million
people were connected to Broadband via BT. 150.000 using BT Broadband,
350.000 using BT Openworld and the remaining 500.000 via the other ISPs
re-selling the BT connection.

There is no evidence to show that BT Broadband is an inferior product but,
this may be because a lot of people think that BT Openworld is the same
thing and there have been problems with BTO, BT Broadband is the base
product without frills for people that want just that and it can only be
measured by its connection uptime. BTO on the other hand can be measured by
its uptime and provision of services such as news and e-mail, which gives
them a greater chance of getting it wrong.

BT Broadband and for that matter BTO are more costly than some other ISPs
but, the choice is with the individual as it is with almost every other
product in the market place. It seems ridiculous to me that criticism is
levelled on the basis that an individual has chosen a particular service and
is prepared to pay more.

I could say to a Bosch washing machine owner that they are wasting money
because my Zanussi does the same job and I have had 3 Zanussi washing
machines over the last 35 years which have all performed perfectly well and
have suffered only minor breakdowns but, I would not because it is up to the
individual what they choose to use.

I like the service offered to me by BT Broadband and have no problem with
the price so who has the right to criticise me for my choice?

--
Hugh