On ADSL Max, my sync speed generally varies from round about 512k to
672k. When I can get it at 672k, the router holds onto it quite well
but it will eventually drop to something lower and get re-profiled
downwards. Then it's several days before there's a chance of getting
it back up from 350k to 500k (bras profile)

Given that it's probably going to be 350k profile all the time unless
I intervene to manually reboot at specifically good times of day, I
was thinking that maybe a fixed 512/256 connection was probably going
to be better than a max connection at effectively 350/350

I know from my sync with BT's Max kit, there is generally a SNR margin
which would rarely drop below 6 at a sync of 512k and so it should be
okay for a fixed rate 512/256 connection. My question is, in order to
get a fixed rate connection would BT have to switch my phone line back
onto old equipment where the syncs and SNR margins are not so good or
do they use the same equipment as now but with different settings? In
other words, do the above numbers hold true or not?


Jim.

James Egan wrote:
Same equipment, it is basically just a software/setting change.

Have you tried to increase your sync rate at all? Do you get the same
rate from the test socket within the master socket?

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:00:43 +0000, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
wrote:

I don't have a test socket. There are two phone lines. The incoming
cable goes into a small circuit board in the wall box which runs to
two phone sockets, one for each line. The second line is with talktalk
at a staggering 320k

BT knocked back my ISP's initial attempt to switch to a fixed 512/256
connection stating that the line could only support a max connection.
If the sync rate and SNR margins I am reading are correct then it
might be worth pursuing further.


Jim.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
James Egan <jegan@jegan.com> wrote:

shown here http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/nte5.htm ?

If so, remove the lower part by undoing the 2 screws, and you'll find the
test socket behind it.
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James Egan wrote:

Well that's definitely odd advice. It's usually the other way round.

WHO is your ISP ? Most of the trouble may lie there.

Graham

Roger Mills wrote:

I don't have one of those either. Maybe they didn't exist in 1983 ?

Graham

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:04:48 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

:-) You can pick up NTE5 boxes from maplin, screwfix etc if you're cool
with fitting it yourself, or call BT and get 'em to fit one.

I'm given to understand that BT absolutely want to have these things, as
otherwise you can, with some justification, claim that the in-house
wiring is their responsibility. So there's a fair chance they'll do it
for free.

Mark McIntyre [markmcintyre@spamcop.net] said:
Interesting advice if I might say so.

Yellow wrote:

I'm just curious what BT would say about it if they discovered one without
their logo on it.

Graham

In message <irTcj.43041$wD5.8927@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote

For free probably read lots of money.

The wiring to the master socket is BTs and you cannot (legally?) "Do It
Yourself"[1]. Older installations would not have had a master socket
with a removable face-plate but that doesn't mean that there isn't a
master socket.

[1] I'm sure lots of people have changed master sockets themselves and
if done competently BT will be none the wiser. A BT installed socket is
likely to have BT or Openreach branding rather than the 'plain' NTE5
sockets sold in Maplin etc.
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In message <477386D0.722D48C0@hotmail.com>, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
They didn't, but you may have something that looks like the first
picture at
<http://www.wppltd.demon.co.uk/WPP/Wiring/UK_telephone/uk_telephone.html>

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Eeyore wrote:
IME very little.

Alan wrote:

It's the 'miniature' version I have.

Graham

Eeyore [rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com] said:
Exactly.

The Natural Philosopher [a@b.c] said:
What exactly is your experience on this one then? Out of interest.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Yellow <yell@please.no.spam.com> wrote:

I doubt whether he has any! IME often means "in my *estimation*" - so it's a
guess.

Having said that, my guess would be the same - as long as it had been done
in a competent way.
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Yellow wrote:
Ah well. I had this..er ISDN 2 setup..and removed the house it was
attached to, leaving it wired to a portakabin. After two years a new
house was ready to string it up to. So we fed the wires through the
roof, and hooked it into some cat 5 and put the boxes back together more
or less. BT never even noticed. Then broadband arrived and I called in
BT to get rid of the ISDN..they scratched their heads 'it doesn't seem
to be where it used to be' ;-)

Helped me redo a joint that was poor in a junction box I had used 'use
one of these next time mate' and shoved a pair of new sockets up for me
'In case someone fusses about them not being BT'

Then of course a tipper driver delivering a drive managed to carry away
the overheads, so at the gravel companies expense they came and rewired
it all over again.

The secret is tea or coffee and biscuits, and anything that makes the
tedium of shoving wires up customers faceplates less dull.

The upper echelons of BT may be staffed by prime wankers, but the
average on the street technician, is generally a good bloke, and doesn't
give a fig for his managers. get him on your side at all costs. He wont
tell.

Roger Mills wrote:
Yes well its easy to be patronising and smart and assume everyone else
is as dumb and inexperienced as you.

Ive been in computer networking and telephony since the late 80's..I
have lost count of the number of fibres, coppers, and leased lines and
whatever I have supervised intallation of. Not to mention Cat5 and
telephone pairs.


You don't NEED to terminate on a BT socket at all. They will punch down
on a Krone IDC if you ask them and they reckon you know what you are doing.

What the rules say for the fools, and how wise men are guided by them
are two different things.




Precisely, except its a lot less of a guess in my case.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:38:26 +0000, Alan wrote:

(of getting an NTE5 style master socket)

Absolutely.

My last house had a little brown box on the wall by the front door. Two
terminals inside. Two wires from the pole came in, two went out. No
sockets of any sort at all!!

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:29:15 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Nothing at all, I should think - as long as its wired up right, they are
unlikely to give two hoots.

My BT phone line came into an NTL-branded master socket at one point.
Now, just to square the circle, my second VM line comes into a BT-branded
one. I also have (in my junk electricals box) a couple of second-hand BT
branded ones which came out of houses being rewired.