in Central London...

See http://www.bulldogdsl.com/bulldog4/ for details and yes, this is a "all
the time" service - not just off peak only.

Also, as a sign of their recent takeover by C&W and the announcment that
will be expanding their LLU service from the current 38 exchanges to 200
odd.. the FAQ includes:

---
What are Bulldog's plans for rolling out Bulldog 4 beyond Central London?

Over the next few months we will launch the service in a number of cities
across the UK. We will publish details as we go.
---

It is also their view that "most" (not all) lines will work at 4MB -
obviously they are using different dB/SNR limits to BT

If you/anyone does decide to use Bulldog would you mind quoting my referral
code when signing up - just quote "bdol 87431" when signing up online (under
"How did you hear about Bulldog?/Referred by a Friend") or by telephone.

Regards
Sunil

"Sunil Sood" <news@soods.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2kl4k9F3mog0U1@uni-berlin.de...

Exclusive to selected Central London areas only!

:-(

Clive

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:43 GMT, "Clive" <someone@nospam.com> wrote:

It's very tempting! I am very happy with PlusNet and they have
excellent customer service...they don't treat their customers like
mushrooms (keeping them in the dark and feeding them bullsh&t).

If 'dog were just as good, I'd move.

Cheers,

Guy

** I may not be perfect, but I'm
** English, and that's the next best thing!

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:32:27 +0100, Dr Teeth
<no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote:

Perhaps bulldog are just as good - but you will never find out?

--
Hiram Hackenbacker

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:39:21 GMT, brains@sky.cam (Hiram Hackenbacker)
wrote:

I will if I open my eyes and ears <g>.

Ha'im atah medaber Ivrit?


Cheers,

Guy

** I may not be perfect, but I'm
** English, and that's the next best thing!

"Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
news:16vce01hqmalt21sb9sd39ba8d7naf8onv@4ax.com...
Having no experience of Plusnet's service..

I would say Bulldog's customer service is unlikely to be as "polished" as
Plusnet's - i.e. you have a longer wait for tech support on the telephone
and Bulldog could be more proactive in a few other areas - that Plusnet seem
to do well in.

However, Bulldog's LLU service (i.e. the one in Central London) is *very*
good - they have virtually no complaints about it and these products have
"virtually no contention" - in fact they even use that phrase now - rather
then pretending their LLU products have a maximum 40:1 contention..*

I guess there are advantages to running their own DSLAMs and being brought
by Cable and Wireless...

(*of course their products which are not on LLU exchanges are still
contended though)

Regards
Sunil

Any Idea if this can be used for business usage?

Jaime

"jaime" <usernet@jaimem.org.uk> wrote in message
news:cfCFc.2563$Fc7.437234@stones.force9.net...
You would have to ask Bulldog directly - though I think this offer is aimed
at
residential users.

Bulldog have seperate packages aimed at businesses at
http://www.bulldogdsl.com/residentia...me/biztime.asp

Regards
Sunil

snip
Thanks for the reply.

Jaime

In uk.telecom.broadband Sunil Sood <news@soods.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
And disadvantages.
They could have been someone, been a contender.

I can't believe that Bulldog will offer 4MB's a month. It would be a bit
expensive

"Nick Sellors" <nic.k@derby.org> wrote in message
news:stsfe09bgk6dh7qje7nnjo93ouoruh0s1i@4ax.com...
Is peering at LINX such a big deal?

I know most large UK ISP's do it but if one doesn't does that really matter
as long as they have sufficient peering capacity with other ISP's etc..?

For instance, a lot of my Bulldog's ADSL line goes via Level 3 (some also
seems to go via Interoute) - who also provide services to many other UK/US
ISPs hence no need for traffic to go to LINX anyway.

They also have some kind of strategic partnership with PacketExchange..

Of course, the above could change - I imagine more and more of the traffic
will go onto C&W's network in future - which again is a member of LINX.

Regards
Sunil

Thanks for the advice, however as the ADSL is to replace a BTOpenworld
Standard User Dialup account I am sure it will offer an improvement in
reliability.

Jaime

In uk.telecom.broadband Sunil Sood <news@soods.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
That depends..

Most UK peering happens over LINX. All of the other exchanges have fewer
participants, and many of the larger international carriers are only
present at LINX. For UK peering, LINX is the most beneficial to be
connected to.

Traffic via upstream carriers is expensive. One implication is that, if
your DSL provider doesn't have adequate settlement-free peering then
they may not be able to fund enough upstream capacity.

Carrying all of your traffic over just 1 or 2 upstream providers also
increases your sensitivity to problems at those providers.

Having alternative paths available for traffic is a good thing.

We (Zen) keep enough capacity on our upstream providers 'in reserve' in
case of problems with suppliers or peering points, however since the
upstream providers charge on a usage basis we benefit from passing traffic
over settlement-free peering. We can spend more money on the network
infrastructure, etc, and remain competetive.

Peering also dramatically improves performance by shortening the network
path and keeping the traffic 'local'.

For example, traffic to AAISP via a large carrier may need to travel to
the USA to get into MFN's network in order to then come back to the UK to
be delivered to AAISP. Peering with MFN at LINX means we can hand the
traffic to MFN in the UK.

C&W will normally only peer (settlement-free) with networks of roughly
equal size to them. Everyone else is forced to buy their (C&W's)
customers' traffic from them.

That's the classic "Tier-1" model - it is essentially to charge for the
traffic twice (charging both their customer & the remote networks that
the customer is communicating with).

You've seen this before with Pipex before the split from UUNET.

Often, the only people to benefit from that model is the Tier-1 carriers
themselves.

d.

"Dave Reader" <dave@undone.org.uk> wrote in message
news:40e82758$0$7803$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk
Thanks for the informative reply.

I believe AAISP have started to use Level 3 as well as MFN now - after MFN
went though a rough patch earlier this year

Yes - I was referring more to the fact that C&W now own Bulldog...

UUNET have always been a bit odd - I remember for years they refused to peer
directly with Level 3 as they were "upset" that so many of Level 3's staff
were ex-UUNET/Worldcom (from the CEO downwards!)

Regards
Sunil

"Dave Reader" <dave@undone.org.uk> wrote in message
news:40e82758$0$7803$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
Difficult one this - I use Zen and am paying £40/month for a 1Mb connection.
I now think Zen are a bit out of line on this pricing. I am also in
Bulldog's catchment area. But then the Zen service has been ... well you
don't notice it because it has been incident free. Not many other ISPs
achieve this. (I'm talking ADSL connections - newservers are a different
story ;-)

And as the connection is mission critical I don't really want to 'rock the
boat' just to save a tenner per month. But then, if the Zen service has the
wobbles - I shall be gone ...

--
Stuart

July Sale - register BIZ domains for $4.95
http://www.bizzy.net/

"Nick Sellors" <nic.k@derby.org> wrote in message
news:jgtke0tg4l7ibgm1b43a15hqtvcnvna3la@4ax.com
If they don't - I think someone should tell C&W, LINX and the 50+ networks
that the think* they are peering with C&W there..

*At least according to http://www.linx.org/members/peering-matrix.html

Regards
Sunil

"jaime" <usernet@jaimem.org.uk> wrote in message
news:cfCFc.2563$Fc7.437234@stones.force9.net
More information

Quote from the Product Manager at Bulldog
(http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...og&Number=1302
545) in reply to someone else asking the same question about the Bulldog4
service.

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"I'm currently revising the business products for LLU so that there will be
a business version of it. At that point I'll probably limit the Bulldog4 to
dynamic IP only but the price difference will be neglible. So either way it
will be a no brainer as you put it. We're trying to make LLU products a
no-brainer for business and residential anyway.

Other than that it makes no difference whether anyone buys a res or biz as
long as the product suits you.

Don't forget you get up to 400k upstream on LLU products.

I was looking at doing a small business version of SDSL too
----

Regards
Sunil