Can anyone clarify this for me?

I have just moved into a new flat which has previously had NTL cable,
which I have no intention of using. However, the wall mounted box has
fallen off and there are two cables coming in from outside. One is a
coax, the other is wired directly into a NTL POTS master socket. I had
always assumed that NTL did everything across its coax cables -did
they run separate cables for their phones as well?

I asked them to remove it, but they told me to bugger off since I
wasn't signed up to their service. I'm pretty sure I could have
pressed the point -after all it is their hardware in my house, but I
didn't. I guess I can just pus the cables back through the overly
large hole they drilled in the wall ad let them dangle...

Cheers,

Ben

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It was combined into one cable shapped like a figure 8 one, side being the
coaxial cable for radio, TV & broadband & the other carrying 2 pairs for
telphoney....

It could make a good stand by TV aeriel & FM radio aeriel as well so if it's
in the correct place don't get rid until you're sure. It's been over 3
years since I left NTLs clutches & I'm still running my FM radios of the
coaxial feed & if I wanted I could still use it as a TV feed.....

If you want to you can remove all cabling from your property, external as
well as internal, but as I've already said think about it before doing it as
there could be a use for it...

Ben wrote:
Ben

Phone service from ntl:Telewest (soon to be Virgin Media) is supplied as
standard copper pair. They have no obligation to remove any equipment
since you have no agreement with them.

Regards

Chris

Thanks for the advice - I think I'll just splice on a bit of extra
cable and route it somewhere out f the way in case, as you suggest, it
is needed. Technically they ought to remove it as it is theirs, not
mine, but on my property, contract or no, but I can well imagine its
far easier just to hide it! The original termination socket was
broken, but I maplin sell a small surface mount coax termination that
should do the job, and I can leave the POTS cable coiled up inside.


Cheers,

Ben




On 3 Feb, 23:13, "kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote:

On 3 Feb 2007 14:01:59 -0800, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Ben"
<Benjamin.Barker@gmail.com> wrote:

Coax for the broadband & TV, standard 8-core for the phone.

Simpler and more legal just to point out you're not signed up and
either they remove it, or you will do it for them with a fire-axe.

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Mark McIntyre

On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 23:20:11 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , Chris
Hills <chaz@chaz6.com> wrote:

Actually, that would be why they /do/ have to remove it. They don't
have your permission to put it there.

Imagine if it were otherwise: I could park my car in your drive and
say "I don't have to move it, we don't have a contract".
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Mark McIntyre

Ben wrote:

Yes, the phones aren't on the coax. They physically can't be.


Whatever.

Graham

Mark McIntyre wrote:

They don't need it. That's how the place was wired already.

Graham

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:21:23 +0000, in uk.telecom.broadband , Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Their agreement was with the *previous owner*. Not with the current
owner. They don't have wayleave.
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Mark McIntyre

Mark McIntyre wrote:
Any permissions they needed will have been granted when the original
installation was requested. The connection was there when you viewed,
and it was a feature of the property that you purchased / rented. If you
didn't want it you should have required that it be removed before
entering into the property agreement.

If the property was rented to you "wired for NTL" and that wiring
becomes damaged during your occupancy, it might at the end of the rental
be incumbent upon you to remedy that damage.

If you purchased the property and come to sell it at some future date,
the NTL access might be a selling point.

On balance, it makes more sense to leave it alone than to waste effort
trashing it.

Denis McMahon

Denis McMahon wrote:

Bad form I know *BUT*

As an aside, if you do anything to the installation, make sure that
there's no way that they can prove you touched the cables, just in case
some obscure fault that's developed in the local cabinet is blamed on
you fiddling with the cables.

Denis McMahon

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:51:06 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , Denis
McMahon <denis.mcmahon@ntlworld.com> wrote:

True.

Was it listed on the manifest as a fixture or fitting?

Certainly one could do that, but you don't have to.

This works one of two ways: NTL had a contract with your predecessor
to have equipment on the property. Either you assumed this when you
bought the house, or you didn't. .If you didn't they have no right to
have their equipment on your land. If you did, you can ask for them to
remove it and terminate the contract.

I agree, but you don't have to.
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Mark McIntyre

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:58:20 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , Denis
McMahon <denis.mcmahon@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Why care? What can they do? They don't have any agreement with you
*not* to fiddle - no contract remember?
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Mark McIntyre

"Mark McIntyre" <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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house. I've recently bought a house with NTL connections and there was
nothing about a contract with NTL mentioned by either the vendor or the
solicitor.

Mark McIntyre wrote:
Yeah ..... try sending 440v down their "non agreement" wire from a handy
3 phase supply ... or the ht from a handy tv or microwave oven psu, and
see if not having a contract means you're not liable for the damage at
the other end.

There's a lot of people that you don't have contracts with not to damage
their property .... it's still criminal damage if you do damage that
property.

My point is that you haven't got "carte blanche" to do whatever you like
to those wires that were used to provision the previous occupant of the
property with communication services.

Denis McMahon

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:05:09 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , Denis
McMahon <denis.mcmahon@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On what basis are you liable? You accidentally ran 440V into their
coax, the cable you asked them to remove and they refused.

True, but largely irrelevant. I'm not talking about damaging their
equipment *on purpose*.

I agree. You do however have a right to require the owner to remove
his property from your land.
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Mark McIntyre