Can anyone recommend where to get a specific stapler and staples for UTP
Cat5?

Thanks,

Rupert

Rupert wrote:
From my experience, the ones to avoid are those staple guns that do not have a
head which holds the cable firmly in place while it blats round staples around
it. Otherwise, you end up sending the occasional staple through the cable,
which is embarrassing, especially if you do it infront of customers (although I
have lost count of the number of times I've done this and actually managed not
to sever any conductor, I still replace the cable).

Unfortunately, very few web sites show pictures of the business-end of their
staple guns. You may be better off going to a shop where you can examine the
business end to make sure it holds the cable out of harms way.

As for staples, I just use ordinary 12mm round staples (Clarke part number
1800230, cpc.co.uk TL06017 £0.95 for a box of 500.

"Rupert" <ruirnbv@postaddress.co.uk> wrote in message
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I use one of these

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product...6&r=2084&g=111

I've never had any problems with it and it has a small guide that holds the
cable in place before staping. You can just about see it in the image. I
wouldn't say that its a "professional" stapler for use all day but it does
the job I use it for which is the occasional networking installation.


Alan Brown

On 04/01/2006 12:46, Rupert wrote:
You could try www.netshop.co.uk they used to sell such things, B&Q may
even still sell a tool suitable for CAT5

"Arrow T25" Cable stapler, I got mine from local hardware store , they
ordered it in for me.


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"Kenee" <no one@nowhere.not here> wrote in message
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CPC Sell them
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSea...=TL08693&N=411

Kenee wrote:
I can also recommend the Arrow's. They use a metal pin that is coated
with a inlay so as not to put too much pressure on the cable but still
hold it in place. The staple guns also have no problem with plaster and
hard wood surfaces.

Bit more than your B&Q fare but worth it.

S.

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Nobody has yet mentioned that CAT5 should not be stapled because the metal
staple around the cable causes a negative affect on the 'self canceling' EMF
generated by the twisted pairs.

(so my mate told me).

I have stapled many small installation but my mate cables thousands of
points installations and has a £4000 tester and he wouldnt staple a cable
for love nor money.

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Better not run them in metal framed buildings either then.... There was me
thinking the wires were insulated and the pairs were balanced. You learn
something new every day.

"Sucuba Dude" <trash@dontthrowyourspamaway.com> wrote in message
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I detect sarcasm.

I am first to admit I am not the fountain of all knowledge. the idea that
the twist in the pairs cancel out EMF but by putting a metal clip around the
cable it interferes is just what I was told by my mate who is a certified
connectix installer, I understand the theory and why it is is probably true
but I don't expect you to.

needless to say, those who understand whats being said here will understand
metal trays and metal framed buildings are not a problem.

you just learned something Sucuba Dude!

Sucuba Dude wrote:
When Cat 5 cabling (normally for ISDN extensions) was introduced to
the colleagues I work with we were instructed that we had to use a hot
glue gun to fix the cables in place. Well those were never forth
coming (surprise, surprise) so the only gun we had to use was a cleat
gun, we never had any problems but to be honest the number of ISDN
extensions we put in are very small in the order of things..

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:31:21 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband ,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

More likely its the effect of crushing the cable under a staple. You
should certainly never squash, kink or fold CAT5.

The effect will be almost certainly minimal - after all, in an office
environment, cables are routed over pipes, through metal ducting &
desks, through holes in metal walls etc etc. Have you ever lifted a
floorpanel and looked at the spaghetti?

Its rarely sensible to be condecending in posts, someone will catch
you out. :-)

Its true that EM fields will be generated in any metal nearby current
in the cable. However any given twisted pair will have roughly zero
external magnetic field, and hence will generate roughly zero current
in nearby metal, which will in turn generate little interference.
Anything which forms a continuous loop round the wire may generate
more, and nearby ac fields may generate yet more. Obviously if you use
STP rather than UTP you have more protection.

For what its worth, my electrician, who has several years of
experience installing networks, wound the Cat5 round pipes, ducted
them with mains cables and on occasion pinned them in place with bent
nails. I get 100meg full between all network points except the one in
the garden shed, which has 100ft of indoor cat5 running outdoors.
Someday I really must duct it. :-)

Mark McIntyre
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:44:06 -0000, in uk.telecom.broadband , "kraftee"
<kraftee@kraftee.nospamwherebristish.com> wrote:

Standard FTE cable clips work quite well.
Mark McIntyre
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Mark McIntyre wrote:
& takes twice as long..

[snip]

so let me get this straight in my head....

if i need a data job done fast i call kraftee

if a need a data job done properly, i call Mark McInryre

right? ;-)

"Mark McIntyre" <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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What about if we add PoE to the mix?

You can't be endorsing that sort of practice, surely?

george@home.com wrote:
Wrong, I don't do data cabling......

Rupert wrote:
Well I know an international Multi-million pound organisation who have
just moved into a brand new building & they have problems getting pots
thru their network, let alone ADSL or data (they claimed to have spent
a couple of million on the cabling, persaonally I think most of that
went to someones back pocket) & in smaller organisations I shudder to
think about what I've seen in the back of their patch panels.

It's one thing knowing that there is a possibility with the problem
which could be caused by your cabling methodology, but there are
larger numbers of the throw it in & run, cablers out there

me@privacy.net wrote:

As it is complete crap is probably the reason . I have rewired many an
office using cat5 and metal cable tray and it works fine. The only danger
is that you might short the pairs if stapled incorrectly . It is probably
not worth the risk because it would take for ever to find which staple is
the problem and trunking and cable tray are quicker for large cable jobs.
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:52:23 -0000, in uk.telecom.broadband , "kraftee"
<kraftee@kraftee.nospamwherebristish.com> wrote:

Once you get into the swing of it, you can cable up an entire run in a
couple of mins. Just need a good hammer and a steady hand.
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