Operation Data
Upstream
Downstream

Noise Margin
26 dB
24 dB

Output Power
12 dBm
19 dBm

Attenuation
27 dB
48 dB




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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:40:15 -0000, "Dave P" <davepnospam@hotmail.com>
wrote:

its the www.bt.com/broadband checker you need to worry about.

Phil
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Dave P wrote:
are also rolling out an upgrade programme to their exchanges which
should also give you a bit more than that, based on those figures.

David.

"David" <email@home.net> wrote in message
news:43d7d653$0$1476$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...

What sort of upgrade programme David? Do you have any more info?
What are the likely speed increases of say, 512k, 1Mbit, and 2Mbit?
I thought line length was the main issue?

Nobody knows yet! BT have been trialling it but have not announced a
detailed specification for the product. The object AFAIK is to make the
service adaptive to the line conditions rather than be in fixed steps. Given
the figures you are getting have you asked for your line to be manually
upgraded to 1MB?

Peter Crosland

Peter Crosland wrote:
Are you talking about IPStream Max Peter?

If so, although the service will be rate adaptive it will still sync in
..5MB increments. The speed at which this will happen though could vary
from day to day.

There will be two flavours of Max similar to the existing office and
residential variants of IPStream AIUI. It is likely that many ISPs using
BT will just begin providing on IPStream Max and do the throttling at
their side as AFAIK the base costs are no different irrespective of the
adapted line speed.

Home Max should offer uploads between 64-448kbps whilst business should
offer 64-832kbps.

Downloads are envisaged to be between 288kbps-8132kbps across both
although the speed the end user would see is likely to max at around
6.5-7.0MB due to environmental factors and line characteristics.

Regards,

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Thanks for that Bob. I understood from BT that the spec was not yet
finalised but it would seem they have told ISPs but not the public! The
other thing I would like to know is if this is going to be done exhange by
exhange over a long period and if so what timescale from the time the
product is released by BT.

Peter Crosland

"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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The computer says........................no.

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Peter Crosland wrote:
Peter,

It will be done exchange by exchange. In fact BT's exchange checker
already incorporates checks for max products. It can tell you if your
exchange is already enabled and also if there is a planned date although
I'd take dates such as that with a pinch of salt if I'm entirely honest.

BT aim to have alot of exchanges completed by mid-year although
expectations should be compared to the timelines we were given with the
bulk upgrades to 2MB and the fact that they have only recently been
completed in full.

Our number checker will currently tell you if you can get a max product
(in which case we can potentially regrade you/ provide you at a higher
speed) it also has an expected upgrade date for some exchanges.

www.plus.net/8mb

Regards,

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PlusNet Support Team wrote:

Is there a way to check *without* using Macromedia's Flash ?

Peter M wrote:
Sort of

If you haven't an account with us then you can go to:-

http://www.plus.net/products/option....x=45&y=12&js=0

If you enter your number it will tell you what products are available.
If it says 'coming soon' next to it then you cannot get that speed.

It's a little easier if you have an account with us as you can login to
the member centre to check:-

http://www.plus.net/upgrade_process....o_quick_pick=1

Select the package using the drop downs and it tells you if you can
currently get that speed.

TBH the BT one probably works http://www.bt.com/broadband/ but I haven't
an example of a Max account to hand at the moment so I'm unable to prove
/disprove that theory.

Regards,

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Plusnet Support Team wrote:

Well, if it's of any use to you, I've just tried that against my own
number, and in the BT response it includes:

/
Our test also indicates that your line should be able to support a
potential ADSL Max broadband line rate of 4.5Mbps or greater.
\

As of yesterday, in fact, (as Plusnet advised me was going to happen),
the line is doing its best to establish the Max line rate. It seems
to be settling down to 5984kbps downstream / 448k upstream at the
moment, according to the router (I guess that includes overheads?).

When I view the local SNR margin figures now and again, they seem to
vary between 6 and 7 dB. There were a few breaks in service on the
first day, but it's been up and working for at least the last 11 hours
now, according to the router's stats.

**Well, isn't that just typical** - I was just about to post this,
when, it seems, the BT engine must have decided to try twiddling the
knobs again, and trying some higher speeds: the connection started
breaking. Each time it broke and I re-established it, it seemed to be
trying a higher rate (went up to 6.3M at one point). After about 10
mins of that, I gave up and went off to the kitchen.

Later on, I tried again, and it now seems to have stabilised at 6080k,
and the router's reporting a local SNR margin of 5.5dB. I suppose the
Max thing will be doing this, off and on, for the advertised 10 days.
Seems to me as if it might be trying just a bit too hard (I'd rather
have stable service than the last ounce of line speed), but what would
I know. I can live with this for now.

regards

Plusnet Support Team wrote:

Thanks Bob

or enter a nearby number which has no ADSL...

I didn't go far down the upgrade plan as (despite the former method
saying 'coming soon') it looked too close to accepting the change -
ie not blocking me from trying to pay 39.99 amonth :-( Peter M.

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

Interesting to see the significant difference between the BT checker
and what's been happening to your connection...

I am sure a lot of other people would agree (on wanting stable service).

If the ISPs are going to assume users will eventually want 8000 kbps
then someone wanting only 4000 might _still_ have their line going
through the motions of instability, if the ISP just goes ahead with
an order for 8000 kbps (to then limit to 4000 within the ISP network).

So they may not serve the customer with a stable 4000 kbps link from
home to exchange, from "day 1" but put people through what you are
seeing, mostly for the benefit of the ISP (to allow them another fee
to 'upgrade' to 8000 kbps later, without them paying any BT fees).

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

The initial idea behind the max product was that BT would establish a
maximum stable rate within the first 10 days of provisioning. This was
dependent on you being in sync for at least 15 minutes of those 7 days.
AFAIK there have been some teething issues with the trials but I suspect
this is how things will finally be presented and should prevent the 'off
and on' nature of your connectivity.

Kind Regards,

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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, PlusNet Support Team wrote:

Yes, I understood that from the email and web pages. I just meant
that during this training time, it seems to be having occasional bouts
of preventing me from working, for periods of (as far as I can tell)
20-30 minutes at a time, while it appeared to be trying speeds which
overstretched what the line was able to support, and breaking any
attempt to reconnect to plusnet; but then it recovered and ran stable
for hours on end.

Sure. In fact I normally leave the router powered-up, so that
should't represent a problem. It was just a bit irritating that their
tuning procedure seems to have had a couple of bouts of twiddling the
knobs during the time that I'd be most active, i.e during the course
of the evening.

Anyhow, I see today that it seems to have gone for a change of plan!
Looking at the DSL Param settings in the router, it seems to have gone
from "Fast" to "Intrlvd", and is now reporting a down speed of 7040
i.e noticeably higher than yesterday, with local SNR margin of around
6dB.

I suppose someone knows what that all means, but as long as it works,
I'm not knocking it ;-)

Just thought this might be of interest to others who will get onto
this Max upgrade, while the initial tuning is in progress. I'm not
aiming to drag this discussion out through the whole 10 days, unless
anything new happens. As I say, I can live with this.

cheers