Hello

My parents have tried 3 times to get broadband enabled on their line ( I
know dont ask why they have tried 3 times) anyway at the last shot they
finally got an Engineer out who says they have copper cable coming into the
house, Is there anyway to get BT to replace the cable thus enabling them to
have broadband? I did sugest on a windy day going out and pulling the cable
down but that didnt go down well!

thanks

Lee

"REDSKINS" <redskins@XXXntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Apparently if you ring BT faults and tell them there is intermittant noise
(cracklig etc) on the linewhen its windy, then they will get the line
changed free of charge and without question. It is apparently something
that *has to be changed* if an engineer visits and finds this old type of
cable.

So I think thats a bit easier than pulling it down yourself.

Tony

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"SJP" <someone@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
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Good point. Actually my old cable is the grey coated figure 8 type stuff.
Fitted in 1978 and it gets me a very impressive 4.7mbit connection.
Are you sure the cable is the problem, because Ive been told on many
occasions that the new type of cable is much poorer than the older type (if
its in good condition). The older stuff is stronger and has thicker
conductors. The new stuff is much thinner.
Tony

"Tony" <nospam34545657607@nospamhere.org> wrote in message
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If they live in Milton Keynes it might be aluminium cale they are suffering
from ...

--
Graham

They are situated quite far away form the exchnage , only some of the houses
in their village have bene able to get BB and only at 250k the Engineer said
that the copper cable didnt help the situation.

Lee

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"SJP" <someone@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
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Does anyone know if the cable fitted today by BT is better or worse than
older stuff ( grey figure 8 in particular).

I would be interested to hear why BT now fit different cable these days...
Is the new stuff just cheaper (and not necessarily better than older cable)?

Are there deeper more technical reasons why the new type is now fitted?

Is there any evidence out there to suggest that some types of cables may
offer better broadband speeds than others?

Is the changing of a cable from a telegraph pole to a property likely to
make much difference (if the cable is in good condition) to the maximum
speed, when after all the rest of the cable from the telegraph pole to the
exchange remains the same.....

Tony

"Tony" <nospam34545657607@nospamhere.org> wrote in message
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Both have their advantages - old grey DW3/6 is by and large thicker diameter
copper, but is prone to intermittent noise/cutoff problems. New DW10/CAD55
have 2/4 pairs respectively per cable, a lot neater for additional lines.
DW12 (rarely used, usually for routes through trees)has 1 pair, conductor
diameter is same as DW6.

Apart from the known problems with old DW3/6, it's possibly due to
improvements in cable clamps/pulleys/stripper tools etc - these are designed
to securely hold round profile dropwires, rather than figure 8.

If the old DW 3/6 is in good condition, there's no advantage in getting it
changed, other than getting a neater installation if you had another line
installed (your original DW would probably be changed anyway)

HTH, Ali

Zomaar wrote:
full speed broadband. For belt and braces, use it for your mains leads
too - a decent mains link for your router or PC will only cost around £189:

http://www.hifi-plus.co.uk/mains.html

<8-o

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:20:04 +0000, linker3000
<linker3000@google-minushyphenmail.com> wrote:

Digby wrote:
Only if your tea pot is resting on these special cones:

http://www.hifigear.co.uk/site/scrip...ategory_id=340

(NB: £2 off at the moment!)

PS: £449 for a mains lead is a rip-off

This one's only £125:

http://www.hifigear.co.uk/site/scrip...roduct_id=1143

"SJP" <someone@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
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Roger

Your lucky.... copper! my parents had 1930-40's cloth insulated
alumimum cable from the road to there house. The whole road had
ducting running under the pavement and under ground cables running to
the houses as at the time of the instalation a Post Office Big Wig
lived on the road

BT at first claimed that as there was no actual noise on the line then
it was fine. We argued that the 60 odd years it had been in the ground
they had recovered the cost of the instalation and got a new cable
moled up. They are now replacing the whole road duct to building
cables as more and more people are getting broadband.

Wombat

"REDSKINS" <redskins@XXXntlworld.com> wrote:

"linker3000" <linker3000@google-minushyphenmail.com> wrote in message
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But if you are out for a real bargain, try this one and make a saving:

http://www.avondaleaudio.com/index.php?page_id=15

Jim

Wombat wrote:
Luxury. We had to make do with two tin cans and a bit o' string...

--
Halmyre

In message <455b6872$0$1376$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, linker3000
<linker3000@google-minushyphenmail.com> writes
me to get excellent service from the Bt engineer who replaced the 'drop'
cable to my house, it performed best when attached to the kettle and
positioned carefully to allow the full sonic range to be achieved from
the pack of choccy hob nobs any self respecting hi-fi buff should have.
obvious typo when crediting a testimonial for the 'Nordost Red Dawn 1m
pair' on http://www.hifi-plus.co.uk/audio.html
--
Clint Sharp

In article <1163686632.534069.310290@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
Halmyre wrote:
Fortunate that you liked baked beans.

J

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:39:54 -0000, "Zomaar"
<usenet@aliREMOVETHISBITrobb.com> wrote:


I'm surprised you remember the old PO reference for dropwire No.3 and
6, but forgot it was actually copper coated STEEL conductors. A copper
only dropwire would be unable to support itself unless very heavy
guage as in dropwire No.4 which was used exceptionally when routed
through trees. Dropwire No.10 had two copper pairs surrounded by steel
wires which are there purely to support the cable span.

Aluminum underground cable was installed in the 70's for D side
distribution (from the green cabinet to the distribution poles) and it
is this cable that has been causing problems for ADSL, and years
before when ISDN and Kilostream was launched.