- Cost of Datastream wholesale
- Posted by David G on November 24th, 2004
Does anyone have any idea of the cost to the ISP of a datastream pipe,
say 2mb. Presumably there are costs on top of the basic pipe as well.
This is really out of interest to have some idea of, from the ISP view,
what contention is viable for them.
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- Posted by Jake P on November 24th, 2004
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:25:09 +0000, David G <notreallyhere@sure>
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3pypw would be a good starting point for you, it's
BT's datastream price list.
Jake
- Posted by David G on November 25th, 2004
Jake P wrote:
I have Telefonica in mind for this. I assume that they would be using
virtual national paths. For 2mb the price is £2561 pa. Telfonica must
then put on a management charge and the ISP their on cost. From this I
am trying to work out what contention rate the ISP would put on to cover
their costs. The one in particular is charging £17 pm inc for 512. Any
ideas? Maybe I am working from the wrong figures.
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- Posted by Phil Thompson on November 25th, 2004
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:49:05 +0000, David G <notreallyhere@sure>
wrote:
BT's standard charging for IPstream500 is £13 ish. Datastream needs to
undercut that to have a reason to exist. Is your £17 wholesale ?
Phil
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- Posted by David G on November 25th, 2004
Phil Thompson wrote:
No this is the retail price inc VAT. The ISP is V21. They have recently
done a bulk migration of all their ADSL customers from ipstream to
Telefonica datastream. This is much to the annoyance of all users who
are now locked into d/s until sometime May 05. They were not informed of
the move, and for sometime they denied it had taken place. I was
originally going to join them but was messed around so much (10 weeks)
without ever being connected. I have since read that d/s is not always a
reliable connection compared with ipstream. I was therefore trying to
see what sort of contention they would need to cover their costs. I know
they say 50-1, but on a 2mb pipe I could not see that giving good
results, especially as it is uncapped.
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- Posted by Jake P on November 25th, 2004
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:04:10 +0000, Phil Thompson
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£12.40 on 20:1 contended products.
£8.40 on 50:1 contended products.
That's on Capacity Charging anyway. You have to factor in the
£million+ for the Central pipe(s) to work out the true cost.
Jake
- Posted by Jake P on November 25th, 2004
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:49:05 +0000, David G <notreallyhere@sure>
wrote:
Unfortunately I don't think you'd be able to work out the exact
figures, as there's no way of knowing how much bandwidth has been
provisioned from your serving exchange back to Telefonica's network.
I would suspect that V21 have no influence over contention between the
serving exchange and Telefonica's network. If I'm assuming the model
correctly, Telefonica would tunnel each ADSL session to V21's
equipment and V21 would provide the onbound Internet IP transit via
their own network, but V21 would have no visibility of the ADSL side
of things.
Jake
- Posted by Phil Thompson on November 25th, 2004
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:20:15 +0000, David G <notreallyhere@sure>
wrote:
£17 inc VAT = 14.47 ex VAT
of this 6.22 goes to the individual connection rental to the user.
Leaves 8.25 per month to cover ISP service and VP connection.
The 2M VP is £200/month ex VAT. If £4 of the above is for other ISP
stuff then 4.25 is left for the VP. Required users = 200/4.25 = 47
contention ratio 47 * 512 / 2048 = 11.75 : 1
Telefonica have multiple customers, so one Telefonica VP may be
serving several ISPs and is therefore likely to be bigger than 2M and
cost less per unit capacity.
11.75:1 may sound sexy but once 4 people are fully using their 512k
connection the 5th person causes speed to drop in the above example.
This is the real issue IMO.
Phil
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- Posted by David G on November 25th, 2004
Phil Thompson wrote:
Thanks Phil/Jake
Interesting. It seems that to make money the ISP has to pack fairly
tightly. Since this service is uncapped it doesn't seem to bode well for
those stuck on it. So glad a backed out of it.
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- Posted by Jake P on November 25th, 2004
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:43:30 +0000, David G <notreallyhere@sure>
wrote:
If you're interested in BT Wholesale prices as a whole, and especially
how ADSL pricing works in general, then look at
http://tinyurl.com/4pkt8, which is the root page for the BT Wholesale
pricelist, and mainly covers IPStream, Datastream, ADSL and SDSL.
Jake
- Posted by Phil Thompson on November 25th, 2004
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:17:32 +0000, Jake P
<jake@!!!nospam!!!.jake.org.uk> wrote:
that's why I used standard charging :-)
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