Is it possible?

I am going to start work soon in a home office. However the business is
moving to an outbuilding on the same premises. Both the house and
outbuilding need broadband. Is it possible to set up BT Homehub in the
house, then run cat5 out to the other building and plug another wireless
router in? The distance between the two should be no more than 50metres. I
ask as we currently have that hardware available.

tia

In message <uVMVi.711$ib1.699@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>, Cullen Skink
<just.stuff@SOMETHINGFISHYvirgin.net> writes
another router. ie
<http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=255033>
which you could alternatively try using in its range extender mode to
extend your network rather than create another centre of signal.

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dave @ stejonda

dave @ stejonda wrote:
Doesn't even need to do that, if the outbuilding is on the same phase,
just get a couple of networking over mains units, plug them in & away
you go.

If the OPs buildings are not on the same phase running the Cat5 is
asking for trouble anyway.

"Cullen Skink" <just.stuff@SOMETHINGFISHYvirgin.net> wrote in message
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You can probably use the router as just a switch with nothing on the ISP
port.

"dave @ stejonda" <no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote in
message news:4qfca3Cj+5JHFALb@privacy.net...
Would a second router actually not work. I realise that it would be
superfluous, but could it be used simply as an access point?

I have a customer who has two BT HomeHubs (somehow!). One of them is set up
as a wireless router and serves a wired PC and a wireless notebook in that
part of the house.

He also wants wireless coverage in a second wing of the house, well out of
wireless range of the first router. He doesn't need coverage inbetween. He
was planning to either run a long LAN cable or use HomePlug devices to
bridge the gap to the remote part of the house, and then plug the Ethernet
cable into the second HomeHub, broadcasting its signal. This HomeHub would
not be plugged into ADSL and its NAT status is probably irrelevant since it
wouldn;t be talking out of its WAN ADSL socket.

Would this work? He wants to use teh equipment that he already has, if it
will be suitable.

Given that the two wireless LANs will probably not overlap, is there any
advantage or disadvantage to giving both LANs the same SSID and WPA key. I'd
probably put them on different channels to prevent bands of constructive and
destuctive interference between the two if the router was used in the
intermediate area between the two routers.

"kráftéé" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
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As long as they are fed from a common electricity meter. HomePlug signals
don't pass through electricity meters.

Good point!!!

Where I used to work some years ago, they spent a lot of money ripping out
the lab areas and rebuilding and rewiring it from scratch. For some reason,
they decided to wire every bench to a different mains phase, so no two
adjacent benches were on the same phase. This caused horrendous logistical
problems for us because we weren't allowed to connect equipment between the
benches. I presume Infrastructure Services had to use opto-isolators for the
LAN cables to the network switch that was common to the whole lab. If we
even needed to set up a private LAN (separate from the building-wide LAN) we
had to physically move the equipment so it could all be powered from the
same bench - but, come to think of it, even without this restriction, I
suppose Health and Safety would have frowned at cables trailed across a
floor.

"dave @ stejonda" <no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote in
message news:4qfca3Cj+5JHFALb@privacy.net...
You can usually force a router to behave as an access point by disabling its
DHCP service. However I have found that this sometimes only works for the
wired connections, the DHCP service is still active for wireless.

In the outbuilding you could use a simple network switch (from £10) instead,
you might me less worried about network cables being visible.

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Graham J

Mortimer wrote :
Yes it will work.

Choose one of the routers as a DHCP server. Give the 2nd a static
address etc in the correct range for the first. Plug 2nd into 1st
(using a LAN port) and away you go.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:51:45 -0000, "Mortimer" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

I thought you weren't allowed to mix phases in the same room!! Surely
that was illegal?This caused horrendous logistical
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Cheers

Peter

dave @ stejonda wrote:

Most routers [whether they've got ethernet or DSL WAN ports] bridge their
wireless interfaces with their LAN switch, effectively making them access
points anyway. So the only difference between access points and wireless
routers is the name.

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"Cullen Skink" <just.stuff@SOMETHINGFISHYvirgin.net> wrote in message
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Yes.
Turn off the DHCP server as you don't want two and connect them Lan port to
lan port so it acts as an access point.

"PeterT" <peter.thomas8899@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:2ebfi39jaachd928hik22c0nujoonn35f1@4ax.com...
The more I think about it, the more I think you're right. They must have
contravened all sort of wiring regulations.

Ironically, six months after we'd had all the hassle of being exiled to a
Portakabin while the work was done and then moving back to new desks in
different parts of the floor from where we'd been prevously, the whole
development department was closed down and many people were made redundant.
The lab area was ripped out and made into desk space. So they spent wisely,
planned ahead and got a lot of useage out of their refurbishment money,
didn't they? ;-)

"PeterT" <peter.thomas8899@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:2ebfi39jaachd928hik22c0nujoonn35f1@4ax.com
: : On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:51:45 -0000, "Mortimer"
: : <me@privacy.net> wrote:

[snip]

: : : Where I used to work some years ago, they spent a lot
: : : of money ripping out the lab areas and rebuilding and
: : : rewiring it from scratch. For some reason, they
: : : decided to wire every bench to a different mains
: : : phase, so no two adjacent benches were on the same
: : : phase.
: :
: : I thought you weren't allowed to mix phases in the same
: : room!! Surely that was illegal?This caused horrendous
: : logistical --
: : Cheers
: :
: : Peter

From my dim and distant training in these matters some 30+ years ago, ISTR
that you can mix phases in the same room as long as socket outlets on
different phases aren't within physical reach of one another, i.e. they
must be far enough apart that you can't touch a socket on one phase with
your left hand and at the same time also be able to reach one on another
phase with your right hand. Or any other part of your anatomy.....

Ivor

kráftéé wrote:
Err, in what way? Cat5 uses differential signalling so I don't see why
it'd matter.


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John Jordan

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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Feel fre to answer the OP's question guys!

just.stuff@SOMETHINGFISHYvirgin.net declared for all the world to
hear...
You want a wireless access point for that scenario, not another wireless
router. Get one that supports WPA for security.
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Regards
Jon

I am using a bt home hub.......connected to main bank of computers via
wireless link (BT man would not put cable where i wanted it.) wireless here
is via a linksys USB unit talking to hub. From that link, I then run 11
other computers here, via an old pc with 3 network cards, so i can share to
another connection running around 40 metres away using cat5..(ie...2 other
flats in same block).these all run off 2 netgear switches. one of those
switches supplies the extension, that has a belkin wireless router on the
end, that then feeds another set of flats via cat5, plus 2 laptops on
wireless. All works fine, with minimal setup, and still get around 6.7m/sec
connection. people said it wouldnt work, but it works fine. (for what its
worth, both wireless routers are on different channels, with different
passwords) I am just about to start using(confirmed it works) another
wireless box connected to home hub (linksys box that is already working
fine) to supply another neighbour)

Neil

max wrote:

What part of 'yes' don't you understand?

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Mortimer wrote:
You sure you don't work for BT ;-)

Cullen Skink wrote:
In principle yes, see other answers in thread. 50m is fine for an ethernet
cable run, so long as its adquately protected. Depends on how much work it
would be to install the cable.

I would suggest considering ethernet over mains for such a situation rather
than installing the 50m of ethernet cable. Assumes you are on one
electricity meter for the whole site.

www.solwise.co.uk seemed to have decent prices when I setup a system for a
neighbour recently, and the same internal hardware in their plugs as the
branded ones sold in PC-World for nearly twice the price. They offer a WiFi
plug (for the outbuilding) which combined with an ethernet plug near the
house router might be a simple solution for you.


(std disclaimer, no connection with Solwise other than a satisfied
customer ).



- Nigel

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