Thinking of going for this package but on the Demon site there is a
note that says you have to use the supplied USB modem and if you
connect via an ADSL modem/router you will be in breach of contract and
could be booted off!
Is this true?
Will they ever know?
Gelf

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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:00:19 +0000, Gelf <oldanAT@freeuk.com> wrote:

you said it, how are we to know.

It appears to conflict with "Home 500 is a self-install service i.e.
you are free to source the appropriate DSL modem and appropriate
number of microfilters yourself to support the installation. However,
our recommended modem can be included when you order." at
http://www.demon.net/adsl/expresspac...0-support.html

no. Unless you tell them.

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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:04:59 -0000, "Graham" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

(someone else said)
And if you use a router, you're literally always on.

How?

I know lots of people who leave their PC / modem connected 24/7


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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:20:39 GMT, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:

Only if you leave it on all the time.

There is no real reason to do so, unless you have the router in a room
that not everybody accessing the internet has permanent access to,
since it takes it less time to connect than it does to boot a PC.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:51:33 +0000, Alex Heney <me8@privacy.net>
wrote:

eh? There's no real reason to leave your phone plugged in either, or
your TV on standby, or your VCR powered up, but most people do.

two ehs?

My laptop boots in around 3 seconds. Faster than the router can get
synched.

Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<ismpo0pl67c7abpv62nd3deu7gqefjg739@4ax.com>. ..

i've just received the bunff from demon after signing up for this
package and it has a section on setting up its supplied usb modem. it
does mention however, that its helpline doesn't support setting up any
routers. so i can only suppose that they do know people connect with a
router ie more than one cpu is connected.

"Alex Heney" <me8@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:27lqo05d18rivi3b2nb0u0mll16dars40v@4ax.com...
But what valid reasons are there to switch a router/modem off..?
Personally I can't think of one. It doesn't exactly use megawatts of
electricity and it's convenient to just switch on a PC (assuming you
switch *them* off, which I don't) and do whatever you want to do.

Ivor

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:05:32 GMT, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:

Well the phone should be left plugged in unless you don't want to be
contactable, and if you unplug the VCR, you will have to re-enter the
clock details at lest, and probably retune, before you can program it.


If, for instance, the router is in a bedroom, you don't want others
going in there to turn it on when the bedroom "owner" is asleep.

But if it is in a room where it is always accessible, that
consideration does not apply.


OK.

I was assuming Windows or Linux OS. What does your laptop use, to be
able to be ready to use that fast?

But anyway, the point is, you don't *have* to leave it on all the time
(I don't as it happens), so you can't be sure you are "literally
always on" with a router.

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:57:28 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<this.address@notvalid.inv> wrote:

Well in my case, it is on the same extension lead as the main desktop
PC, and the linux PC, and the PC speakers ( a six way surge protected
lead), and I always turn that off at the plug, because otherwise the
speakers hum when they have power but no input signal (this irritates
SWMBO).

Even if I am using the laptop, I often want at least one of the other
PCs on, for shared data, so it is no hassle to turn it on.
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Doubt if its got anything to do with leaving it on. IMHO they could use the
MAC address in the same way that Blueyonder does. I know that standard
routers can sometimes clone MAC addresses but havent seen that option in a
dsl modem/router. As each manufacturer is given a mac code range (including
windows for use in DialUp NW) they could work out what you are doing simply
by the MAC addr range that you are using unless you can find some way of
spoofing it.

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 02:04:58 +0000, Alex Heney <me8@privacy.net>
wrote:

suspend / hibernate mode at a guess

also available on most PCs

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On 6 Nov 2004 16:42:09 -0800, quincymd@mail.com (Ianbo) wrote:

no, it means if you ring up and say "I'm on Home 500 how do I set up
my integrated wireless modem router" they will say "we don't support
that"

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In message <MPG.1bf840755ee58e41989a4d@news.giganews.com>, Conor
<conor.turton@gmail.com> writes
You do now. If you switch your router and systems off when they're not
in use you don't kill as many trees. And your lecky bill is less. Bonus.
I've never seen anything as secure as a switched off router either. :O)
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:30:24 +0000, Phil Thompson
<phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:

That is not what I would call "booting up".

That only works if you keep the PC powered on (for which the battery
may be enough with the laptop).

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:24:29 -0000, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
wrote:

No, the "idea" is to be able to share your connection, and (probably)
network your PCs.

For many people, it is more convenient to do that if the router is
left on all the time, but that certainly is not the "idea" of a
router.

There is little, if any, point in having the router on when there are
no PCs turned on. I accept it isn't worth bothering turning it off
either, if it is not conveniently located.


With Pete, you now know of two. :-)

As he says, it saves electricity. And while the router may not use
much, the printer, speakers, etc. that I also have on the same surge
protected power strip do by the time you add them all together. One
switch turns them all off.

And like Pete says, you can't get more secure than switched off :-)

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:44:58 +0000, Alex Heney <me8@privacy.net>
wrote:

as in plugged in to the mains sat in its normal no fans running
standby mode ? yes you need that for hibernate, the machnie does "boot
up" in terms of POST testing then Windows "resumes" fairly snappily.

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[snip]

There is if you've got a VoIP phone plugged in ;-)

Ivor