- Are Demon right about 2mb?
- Posted by Simon Pleasants on July 19th, 2005
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:51:19 +0100, poster <us-mail@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
Exactly. A lot of ISP's seem to be playing games with this mythical
"upgrade" of the DSLAM's. Methinks they are playing on the fact that
most people don't know any better to show themselves in a better
light.
What they've told the OP of this thread sounds like a load of bollocks
- his line cannot support 2Mb so therefore they'll initiate him at
512kbit and then in Sept (or other autumnal month) they'll speed him
up to 2Mb as then BT will make every line a minimum of 2Mb. What a
load of rubbish - if it's not capable now, it won't be then.
The most sensible thing Demon could have done would be to put his line
through at 1Mb right away. Instead they're putting him through at
512kbit and making him wait until the autumn for the bulk regrader to
wander past and speed him up to speed he could, and should, have
anyway. Unfortunately for the OP I suspect if he had gone with an ISP
with a bit of nouse, he'd probably already be on his maximum speed.
As an ISP Demon seems to be solid and reliable but not that bright....
- Posted by John on July 19th, 2005
In article <3s6qd15911u3mbt2ulaa11ebj7ac5iin3p@4ax.com>, Simon Pleasants
<plesbit@hotmail.com> writes
You are right, but the line length / attenuation / SNR will really
determine the ADSL speed any customer can receive from a 2Mbps
synchronised DSLAM. Just like the handshaking on a modem dial in. As I
understand it most DSLAMs can support up to 8Mbps, and standard routers,
etc, can synchronise up to this as well.
I think you have squarely hit the nail on the head.
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- Posted by Ian Cummings on July 19th, 2005
In message <1vdpd19v7sop19t04at4u7b82fmrqajcp4@4ax.com>, Phil Thompson
<phil.thompson@spamcop.net> writes
I knew about Plusnet, but this is the first I've heard about BTYahoo.
Are you sure ?
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- Posted by Phil Thompson on July 19th, 2005
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:52:14 +0100, poster <us-mail@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
"and my IPStream costs me more to allow those LLU cherry picking
b'stards to make a profit"
Phil
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- Posted by Phil Thompson on July 19th, 2005
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:24:52 +0100, John
<fredclark@consltec.demon.co.uk> wrote:
with the subtle difference that it will either sync at 2M or fail, it
won't find the best speed like a 56k modem does.
Phil
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- Posted by Phil Thompson on July 19th, 2005
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:14:01 +0000 (UTC), Ian Cummings
<news.spam@glitton.org.uk> wrote:
well I read it on here or ADSLguide and my memory is pretty good.
Someone rang up to ask about a delay and was told they could do it
there and then. I will try and find a reference.
Phil
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- Posted by Phil Thompson on July 19th, 2005
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:04:36 +0100, Phil Thompson
<phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:
http://www.btbroadbandoffice.com/upgrade2m is a BT Business site where
you can do it, you start a new 12 month contract.
someone else said "but if you call BT Broadband sales on 0800 800 150
they can put an upgrade through for you (it does have a 3 month term)"
for residential
another one said "Why don't you just upgrade on the BT Yahoo website,
that's what I did. I think they put you onto a three month contract if
you do though."
I've asked the question at
http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=bt
Phil
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- Posted by Ian Cummings on July 20th, 2005
In message <3jtqd15fi9aos9ugjg0o3f4ql8fit41tl2@4ax.com>, Phil Thompson
<phil.thompson@spamcop.net> writes
Re: BTY charging 15 quid for an upgrade to 2M
AIUI a "manual upgrade" results in a change in payment method, but not a
15 quid charge per se.
BICBW.
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- Posted by Phil Thompson on July 20th, 2005
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:24:05 +0000 (UTC), Ian Cummings
<news.spam@glitton.org.uk> wrote:
I think you're right - it extends the minimum term or adds a new one
but is free. Avoids people asking for a MAC code then rejoining the
same ISP I suppose :-)
Phil
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- Posted by Andy Furniss on July 20th, 2005
Phil Thompson wrote:
Or it will half fail and if with Pipex you will have a load of hassle
getting them to reduce it to 1meg (and the free upgrade from pipex is
throttled to 1meg anyway even if synced at 2).
http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...Number=1896507
Needing 5 disconnects in 2 hours is a bit of a joke.
Still I am glad they are not sticking to the 43db rule - I now have 2meg
@ 50db and have seen posts from people with 56db and stable 2meg
connections.
Andy.
- Posted by Phil Thompson on July 20th, 2005
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:40:20 +0100, Andy Furniss
<firstname.lastname@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
but are they sticking to the number checker at www.bt.com/broadband ie
did it wrongly think your attenuation was 43 dB or less and offer you
2M ??
Phil
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- Posted by Andy Furniss on July 21st, 2005
Phil Thompson wrote:
It says I can get 2M but further tests will be carried out if I order.
It does seem that that's what they go by, I've seen posts from people
who didn't get upgraded from 512 (presumably because of what that says
for them) and they clearly have attenuation/noise way better than me and
have had to chase Pipex/BT to upgrade.
Andy.
- Posted by Eric Parker on July 21st, 2005
"Andy Furniss" <firstname.lastname@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Me too.
I recently got the automatic upgrade via PN.
According to my SAR715 the line is @55.5db but it's working fine at 2meg.
Not seen any problems.
Although I've just had a look and in approximately 5 million packets Rx & Tx
I've had 100 Rx bad packets & 65,000 TX bad packets.
That Tx figure looks a bit high, over 1%.
I'd hate to go down to 1meg.
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- Posted by Andy Furniss on July 22nd, 2005
Eric Parker wrote:
Well if it works it's OK :-)
Your Rx loss count is better than mine, I don't get Tx loss stats.
Maybe dropping to 1meg wouldn't fix Tx anyway as you sync at 288kbps
either way. I am not sure if you being at 2 rather than 1 will cause
more upstream errors.
It could be that because everyone else on your exchange has been
upgraded, there is now more noise - assuming you didn't get that amount
of loss before the exchange "upgrade" anyway.
Andy.
- Posted by Eric Parker on July 22nd, 2005
"Andy Furniss" <firstname.lastname@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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I reset the SAR715 yesterday to clear the stats.
I've since had 400,000 packets Rx & Tx.
3 bad Rx and no bad Tx packets.
Looks more like I'd expect.
I'll keep an eye on it.
eric
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