A provider who will let you connect from ANY adsl-enabled line? Or are the
lines always tied to a single provider?

"Mike Roman" <mikeoroman@loseit.gmail.com> wrote in message
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A provider of what?

The latter.

Mike Roman wrote:
The line is always tied to a single ADSL provider, and probably username
as well.

Owain

Mike Roman wrote:
No.

Or are the lines always tied to a single provider?

Yes.

Peter Crosland g6jns@yahoo.co.uk

Peter Crosland wrote:

Almost true but not quite that simple.

When I was with Plusnet, they LLU'd me onto a Tiscali connection.

I discovered I could get a connection either with my Plusnet login details or my
neighbour's Tiscali login. I'd describe that as an oversight/aberration though.

Graham

On 16-Aug-2007, "Peter Crosland" <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Which is a right pain in the butt if you access accounts with several ISP's,
like maintaining several websites on different hosting ISP's. Some of it
you can do with FTP, but you reallly need to be logged into the ISP's
domain for the rest.
Pity the ADSL model isn't routed, then we could have more than
one ISP, and vote with our feet from the shiddy ones, without
all the hassle of migration.
Just like the dialup model for ADSL.

Owain wrote:
Not the user name. I can log on using my ADSL connection to a friend's
account, and vice versa. Same ISP, and same exchange.

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"Peter Andrews" <p.andrews@blueblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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The clue's in the name of this group... ;o)

Mark Carver expressed precisely :
It is not exchange dependant either.

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Anybody can use any login details. I use anything@btinternet.com (literally
the word "anything") and just hit a few random keys on the keyboard as a
password. Authentication is done on the ADSL-enabled telephone number these
days, not username and password.

John

John formulated on Thursday :
You should only be able to use the @btinternet.com suffix if you're one
of their customers. I'm also not sure that BT have "turned off" the
need to log in either. Are you mis-remembering something?

Not all ISPs authenticate exclusively on telephone number (if at all).
Also, any static IPs are tied to the username, not the telephone
number.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:43:53 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Mike
Roman" <mikeoroman@loseit.gmail.com> wrote:

Your ADSL account is tied to a phone number.

Yes.


Mark McIntyre

Mike Roman wrote:
OK, when talking IPStream your line will be tied to a /realm/

A /realm/ is basically the bit after the '@' sign in your username, ie.
@plusdsl.net, @f9.co.uk or @free-online.net in our case (amongst others).

If Plusnet user 'a' went to plusnet user 'b's house then they would be
able to connect using their own login details because the /realm/ is the
same. ie. both use @plusdsl.net.

This is authentication occurring at BT's SSB RADIUS servers AFAIK.

In addition to this, we also authenticate using our own RADIUS servers.
What that means is that you would have to have a valid username. If you
tried to connect using ausernamethatdoesntexist@plusdsl.net then you'd
get past the BT bit, but we'd reject the login attempt - Likewise if you
had a valid username and your password was wrong.

Now for the interesting bit...

With IPStream, you can actually have 5 realms set up on your line. We
have a number of test lines at work that do this due to the multiple
personas (vISPs) we have, ie. Force9, PlusNet and Free-Online - We have
one line but can connect customers of all three realms using it. It's
also how we provided some of our customers on the trial RIN (Wholesale
Connect) network. In this instance we ask trialists to change their
login details so as to include another /realm/ (@plusdsl2.net), they're
then on the 'other' network.

So to answer your question...

If you have an account with provider 'a' then you can use your details
to connect from any other line that is also provisioned by provider 'a'
if they have a corresponding account at their end. If you try to use
provider 'a's details on provider 'b's line though it will fail.

Technically you could have a line that allows you to connect to more
than one provider but realistically this isn't really ever going to be
the case.

Eeyore, interesting point about the LLU, but that's a different
ball-game entirely. I never realised our customers had cottened on to
that

Kind Rgds,

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|Support Home & Business @
|PlusNet plc. www.plus.net
+------ PlusNet - The smarter way to Internet! ------

PlusNet Support Team wrote:

I did it out of curiosity as much as anything as aprt of my attempts to
troubleshoot my connection. Interestingly I retained my own 'profile'. His
account was set for 1Mbps at the time IIRC.

Graham

"Mike Roman" <mikeoroman@loseit.gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes.











You wanted a sarcastic answer didn't you?

Eeyore wrote:
The profiles we can apply on our LLU accounts change the configuration
of the exchange kit as opposed to our systems.

Rgds,

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PlusNet Support Team wrote:

Interesting. That sounds like it may be different to how I understand BT handle
it.

Actually, there are 2 things here surely ? BT's 'profile' on a max line simply
represents the 'best connection' it can achieve and BT will deliver that to your
ISP. The ISP can use traffic management but to actually permanently 'throttle'
an account below that, BT has to use a fixed rate service such as 2Mbps or
512kbps which isn't RADSL AIUI.

With LLU it seems you're able to 'throttle' at the DSLAM without changing the
line sync etc and that 'caps' the max possible data rate.

Graham

PlusNet Support Team wrote:




Thanks Bob

Your explanations are 'magic'.
Part of the advantage of Plusnet where they are very upfront about
useage limits etc etc (not like some we won't mention who go on about
'unlimited' and then cut you off)
The above explains why I had thought it wasa Vir**n fault that enabled
me to use the same account at several premises and why - when I forgot
to re-set it - a relation was connecting as her uncle!!

Mike

On Aug 16, 9:07 pm, Jono <notha...@blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
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