- How does UK BB prices compare with Europe?
- Posted by BIGEYE on March 17th, 2005
Interested to know if we are being ripped off as much on BB prices here in
the UK like we are with most other things.
Also, why does this government promote BB in such a big way when it looks
like ISP's are returning to a metering system. Surely this will discourage
the use of BB due to ridiculously high prices being charged by ISP's.
Is this a money making exercise? Are we paying up front for the
infrastructure for faster BB services, just as the railways did. Put the
fares up first and then (maybe) we will fix the rail network.
- Posted by Hiram Hackenbacker on March 17th, 2005
BIGEYE wrote:
If I compare Broadband prices on three services I have in the UK, France
and Spain - the Spanish one costs twice what I pay in the UK (for a qtr
of the speed but no cap) and the French one costs about 50% more than
the UK one (half the UK speed and no cap). The upload speed of the
French and Spanish services is half the UK upload speed.
Does the Government actually promote BB?
- Posted by The Simpsons on March 17th, 2005
"Hiram Hackenbacker" <"dcolledge"@interquad.com> wrote in message
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Just entered ("tony blair" broadband) on google which resulted in 63,800
hits.
So he is certainly talking about it!
- Posted by Christopher Lee on March 17th, 2005
"BIGEYE" <address@is[invalid].ok> wrote in message
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Broadband from 'Alice'. ( there is a website if you are interested. Address
is obvious) 8Mb, no cap, free telephone calls to geographical numbers in
France.1 euro per day (ie £21 per month).
We are being ripped off, as usual by BT.
Oftel used to mostly do what BT told them with only occasional slaps on the
wrist. Ofcom don't even seem to know that BT exist if the current behaviour
of BT is anything to go by.
For BB to be a success it must be faster and without silly low caps. To
expect Tony Blair and this government to understand anything as complicated
as that is expecting rather a lot.
Chris
- Posted by Alan LeHun on March 17th, 2005
In article <d1ck8t$hhk$1@titan.btinternet.com>, Chris@news.com says...
Due you have any net sources for this. Afaik, this service is ppMb, and
highly contended.
The national operator offers all you can eat 512Kb for 30 Euros.
Not quite true. The reason for the dramatic drop in pricing in France
over the past two years (and a doubling of broadband users in the past
year) is due to the governments subsidising local loop unbundling.
It is probably true to say that BT would covertly oppose any similar
scheme from parliament.
It is also probably true to say that our Government could learn a lot
from the French on how to promote dsl to the public.
buy low bandwidth/low cost solutions then the industry will offer low
bandwidth/low cost solutions.
The caps that we see being put in place are there purely because people
are unwilling to pay for truly unlimited access.
--
Alan LeHun
- Posted by The Caretaker on March 17th, 2005
Alan LeHun wrote:
The other side to that is that many people think a 512k downstream adn
256 up is fine for their needs. We only have a 512 link, and for what
we do it's great. We don't use it for work, at most there's three of us
on at once with few overheads, as I mostly surf and usenet, the kids
mostly surf and play games. If any of us want a particular film or
large file we wait until late evening and download in batches overnight
so we don't 'waste' our own on-line time or bandwidth.
Low cost/low bandwidth solutions are a great solution to making the
internet work well for our needs.
I can think of three times in the last six months when I thought an 8
meg connection would be good. Not a cost-effective solution for us at all.
To all intents and purposes our connection is unlimited, (ntl freedom
unlimted package) simply because we never need great bandwidth anyway. 
--
The Caretaker .........
- Posted by Chris on March 17th, 2005
"Alan LeHun" <none@the.mo> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ca3ec0f7a7f7d509897d9@news.clara.net...
In article <d1ck8t$hhk$1@titan.btinternet.com>, Chris@news.com says...
Due you have any net sources for this. Afaik, this service is ppMb, and
highly contended.
The national operator offers all you can eat 512Kb for 30 Euros.
Not quite true. The reason for the dramatic drop in pricing in France
over the past two years (and a doubling of broadband users in the past
year) is due to the governments subsidising local loop unbundling.
It is probably true to say that BT would covertly oppose any similar
scheme from parliament.
It is also probably true to say that our Government could learn a lot
from the French on how to promote dsl to the public.
buy low bandwidth/low cost solutions then the industry will offer low
bandwidth/low cost solutions.
The caps that we see being put in place are there purely because people
are unwilling to pay for truly unlimited access.
--
Alan LeHun
http://offres.aliceadsl.fr/alice/ep/...amId=536891245
- Posted by Hiram Hackenbacker on March 17th, 2005
The Simpsons wrote:
Just entered ("tony blair" shit) on google which resulted in 81,700
hits. He's certainly talking something.
- Posted by Peter Hayward on March 17th, 2005
"Hiram Hackenbacker" <"dcolledge"@interquad.com> wrote in message
news:1111095408.487.0@eunomia.uk.clara.net...
Just entered *uckwit on google and got john prescott
- Posted by ego on March 18th, 2005
here in Turkey 256/64K ADSL connection costs
about 30 euro and I think it's very expensive when I
compare with other EU countries.
But next month we will able to get 512/128K connection
for 30 euro. But I wanna 4M+ connection due to P2P
"BIGEYE" <address@is[invalid].ok> wrote in message
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- Posted by Martin² on March 18th, 2005
The register published a survey of EU BB ISP's some 3 months ago.
It said you can get bare bones 512k service in Germany for the princely sum
of 3.99 Euro per month !
We are nowhere near that...,
and BT and the gov. is to blame.
Regards,
Martin
- Posted by Dave on March 18th, 2005
"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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Dave....
- Posted by James Hurrell on March 18th, 2005
"Hiram Hackenbacker" <"dcolledge"@interquad.com> wrote in message
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Not sure where you have your services in France and which ISP you are
currently with, but if you are anywhere near or in the big citites, you
might be able to take advantage of the French version of LLU (dégroupage).
neuf.fr are currently offering 8mb ADSL at ?14.90 (I have a friend who has
this...) on LLU lines:
http://www.neuf.fr/offres/adsl/
Check whether neuf is in your area:
http://www.neuf.fr/offres/support/de...degroupage.asp
- Posted by Hiram Hackenbacker on March 18th, 2005
James Hurrell wrote:
Thanks - we are with Wanadoo and this was an early tariff but are
considering a COLT based SDSL service - we are in the centre of Paris.
- Posted by Mark McIntyre on March 18th, 2005
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:52:05 -0000, "Peter Hayward"
<p.hayward@btopenworld.com> wrote:
its amazing isn't it, how utterly crap google's blogosphere filters
are.
The effect you discovered is merely a handful of fsckwits stuffing
their blogs with incestuous links attacking their favorite target.
Tomorrow they'll move on to lager or nipple rings or traffic cones or
whatever exercises their collective brain cell next.
- Posted by Mark McIntyre on March 18th, 2005
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:32:04 -0000, "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote:
How exactly is the govt to blame?
Unless of course you mean Thatcher's govt.
As for BT, I'm not on their side, heck I stopped using them cos they
were far from cheapest, but before blaming them feel free to install
your own fibre network, and charge two quid to use it.
- Posted by Martin² on March 19th, 2005
McIntyre:
By allowing BT to hang on to their near monopoly of the 'local loop'.
BT is resisting any change and runs rings round OFCOM, e.g. puts up rental
to hit all the smart people who use
other call providers.
Of course they are protecting their 'patch', but IMHO they are getting
rather unpopular with customers,
the chickens might come back to roost yet...
Regards,
Martin
- Posted by Walter Hayward on March 19th, 2005
In article <MPG.1ca3ec0f7a7f7d509897d9@news.clara.net>, Alan LeHun
<none@the.mo> writes
Hey come on.. Uncle Tony understood perfectly the complicated reason why
we ""Invaded"" Iraq......
George W told him to!!
Wally Hayward
- Posted by Mark McIntyre on March 20th, 2005
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:01:02 -0000, "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote:
I see, so the argument is that the government ought to have forced BT
to lose money. I'm confused. I seem to recall an obligation on BT to
permit unbundling some years back.
I'm not defending BT, I'm just pointing out that this has much to do
with the govt as it has to do with the gas board.
- Posted by Martin² on March 20th, 2005
McIntyre:
with Electricity and Gas.
mentioning.
Didn't most of the interested parties say that BT was making it difficult
and the price was too high ?
Regards,
Martin
