Yes, another PlusNet thread! But this one isn't all bitchin' and moanin'.

Not only is NDO's beta usenet server a PlusNet server, but all this
tracerouting in the previous post got me inspired:

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Tracing route to google.com [216.239.57.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ipcop.workgroup [192.168.0.1]
2 25 ms 49 ms 23 ms ndoltd1-hg3.ilford.broadband.bt.net
[217.47.119
202]
3 73 ms 20 ms 65 ms 217.47.119.162
4 60 ms 17 ms 59 ms 217.47.119.238
5 46 ms 46 ms 27 ms perseus-fa-0-0-5.ision.net.uk
[195.7.228.35]
6 56 ms 65 ms 83 ms pheme-fa-2-0.ision.net.uk [195.7.224.237]
7 41 ms 65 ms 22 ms thn2-gi-0-3.ndo.com [195.7.224.250]
8 29 ms 49 ms 25 ms thn1-gi-0-1.ndo.com [195.7.224.253]
9 24 ms 25 ms 94 ms 9.2.access.plus.net.uk [212.159.2.9]
10 394 ms 264 ms 158 ms
ge-4-1.metro2-londencyh00.London1.Level3.net [2
2.113.11.41]
11 62 ms 66 ms 84 ms so-1-2-0.gar2.London1.Level3.net
[212.113.0.118

12 77 ms 68 ms 73 ms ge-0-3-0-0.bbr2.London1.Level3.net
[4.68.128.12
]
13 117 ms 92 ms 173 ms as-0-0.bbr1.NewYork1.Level3.net
[4.68.128.106]
14 179 ms 168 ms 691 ms ge-0-1-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net
[64.159.1.130

15 363 ms 214 ms 218 ms ge-11-2.ipcolo2.SanJose1.Level3.net
[4.68.123.1
0]
16 185 ms 179 ms 227 ms unknown.Level3.net [209.247.202.218]
17 224 ms 258 ms 302 ms 216.239.47.194
18 317 ms 316 ms 171 ms 216.239.49.2
19 277 ms 281 ms 230 ms 216.239.57.99

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Check out the 9th hop!

NB. High ping times are due to downloading and uploading taking place on
my connection. Something which could be a thing of the past if PlusNet
take over NDO!

What are your thoughts on this?

Anton

NDO?

"Anton Gÿsen" <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> wrote in
message news:41acb02e$0$50903

Looks like a peering to me.

Jc.

"Anton Gÿsen" <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> wrote in
message news:41acb02e$0$50903$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
Maybe once Plusnet have taken over NDO they can go the whole hog and take a
shot at Level3 ;o)

Or did you really think Plusnet had a direct pipe to Google ? )

In article <41acb02e$0$50903$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, Anton
Gÿsen <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> writes
They use that as it's cheaper than running their own news server, and I
assume that PlusNets is better than the normal one the are using. I
wouldn't read to much into that.

I assume you mean that if PlusNet took over, anybody previously on NDO
would then have to be restricted to lower down/uploads. Don't fancy that
myself, I'm quite happy how NDO are at present, long may it stay that
way.

--
Paul

"Anton Gÿsen" <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> wrote in
message news:41acb02e$0$50903$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
Not to mention about the vague usage that you are allowed that is only
mentioned when you scour through their terms.

Paul wrote:
Er...they have their own Usenet server as well as this beta PlusNet one.
I'm only using this one for the sake of it, and now I've got used to it
I can't be bothered to resubscribe to all my newsgroups on the old
server, which is probably going to be phased out soon anyway.

Yes that is what I mean, and I too am happy with NDO's current service
(if only they offered 2 megabit).

Dave wrote:
Are you referring to NDO or PlusNet?

In article <41acf37d$0$50865$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, Anton
Gÿsen <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> writes
I got the impression that the normal one was supplied by a third party,
my mistake if that's not the case.

I did read it correctly then, but I had to look twice

--
Paul

In article <41acf63f$0$50909$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, Anton
Gÿsen <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> writes
I think he means NDO, they seem to be trying different variations in the
T&C to keep the ADSL product unlimited but have a fair usage clause as
well. So far it seems to be working well, but it seems that all ISP's
are going to be wrestling with that problem in the coming months/years.

--
Paul

"Anton Gÿsen" <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> wrote in
message news:41acf63f$0$50909$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
BOTH

"Paul" <paul@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:$Pqx0WAisPrBFwQa@icedragon.ndo.co.uk...
NDOs limits are ridiculous, in one breath it says you can what amount you
want, in the next it gives a limit, then the next they say what is fair and
then finally they say the may contact you if your use exceeds what they
mention....... go figure that.....
http://www.ndo.com/ndo/Products/Fair...rdatatransferp
olicy.html
I certainly would be suprised if Pusnet buy them, they both seem a match
made in heaven... Say one thing, mean another.

Dave wrote:

Yeah, I can't make head-or-tail of NDO's Ts&Cs either. Nor can anyone in
their user forums.

I don't really care if they want to kick me off anyway, my year's
contract will be up in a week and I'm sure there are other ISPs who
would be happy to have my custom. I would say I'm a pretty big
downloader but not hard-core like the 130gb/week that the PlusNet
offenders were managing. I've certainly never had any e-mails on the
suibject.

"Anton Gÿsen" <anton@REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSantongijsen.com> wrote in
message news:41ad36d5$0$50871$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
I think its the perfect ISP for Pusnet to buy, they wont have to confuse
users with their limits with no definate figures, cos its already in place
for them.
Its a shame really cos most seem very happy with the NDO service and their
staff/support.

Josey <nospam@sandwich.ta> wrote:

Looks like NDO buy transit (ie, internet access) from Plusnet, to me.

3 deleuze-ge-0-1-0-0.hq.zen.net.uk (62.3.82.130) 1.347 ms 1.046 ms 1.553 ms
4 suarez-so-0-0-0-0.te.zen.net.uk (62.3.80.62) 8.888 ms 8.349 ms 8.691 ms
5 linx-gw1.plus.net (195.66.224.164) 8.451 ms 8.670 ms 9.852 ms
6 ge1-1-0-23.ptn-gw1.plus.net (195.166.129.222) 8.828 ms 8.899 ms 8.406 ms
7 thn1-gi-0-2.ndo.com (212.159.2.10) 9.649 ms 8.699 ms 8.906 ms
8 perseus-gi-0-1.ndo.com (195.7.224.245) 10.325 ms 10.439 ms 10.536 ms
9 tab.hosts.ndo.com (195.7.224.2) 10.628 ms 9.745 ms 9.519 ms

Actual routing for that network is:

195.7.224.0/19 *[BGP/170] 16:26:53, localpref 80
AS path: 6871 8622 8622 I
d.

Seems that way - see http://www.zen33200.zen.co.uk/ndo-route.png

Warning: The file is approx 1Mb, and will not fit on the screen.

James

Been an NDO customer for 12 months now, use around 10gb per week, sometimes
more, sometimes less.

Never been emailed once for my usage *touch wood*

Very happy with the service, customer support is spot on. Couldn't be
happier.

So if any executives from PlusNet are reading this thread and thinking about
going for NDO, f*ck right off!

:-)

"Charlie.T.P" <charlie@ask.ndo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cons4d$mjd$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
From their link i mentioned earlier, either you are lucky or its something
they only implement if they have to.

Many seem happy with them

May I basically extend that feeling towards any ISP that offers a good
service ) Any ISP IMO that offer a service that rates similar to NDO are
way better off with NO PN involvement. Having said this, there does seem
to be a few signs NDO will become Pusnet owned, I hope for you it does not
bet it appears that way (