I have access to 3 Plusnet accounts. 2 Premiere and 1 business all which
recently have been at dial-up speed for downloading. It is only downloads
from P2P that I am talking about though to be fair web browsing is not too
bad.

These accounts are all in different locations too. I know you have to think
about contention but it seems strange that all 3 accounts have dropped at
the same time and it's just on P2P.

Are Plusnet restricting access to this service? We moved to premiere
accounts because we were told we would achieve better speeds for downloading
which I think was misleading.

They should (I use the term lightly) only restrict your P2P at peak times if
you have downloaded more than 20GB of P2P in one month or exceeded their
fair usage policy limits.

There traffic shaping system is noway near perfect. If you haven't exceeded
the various limits (can be confusing) contact them.

Is your P2P slow all the time? After midnight I can max out my connection
using a well seeded torrent. During peak times it slows down quite
considerably but it is bearable (40KB/s)

Dan

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:02:43 -0000, "Gareth :-\\\) voom"
<iam@wanapoo.co.uk> wrote:

Better than what?

If you were told that the speeds for downloading would be better than
on dial up, then that is not misleading, because they are.

P2P is a special case, as opposed to "normal" (FTP) downloading. I
downloaded about 2GB of Oracle software over last night and today, at
39Kb/s - which is the limit I had set Flashget to use, so that I had
spare bandwidth for the other things I was doing. But this was not
using P2P, it was a direct FTP from the Oracle site.

Plusnet have three queues - Bronze, Silver and Gold, with different
priorities given to each. P2P is in the bronze queue, so at even
moderately busy times, will have limited bandwidth available.
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Alex Heney wrote:
Broadband Plus, at a guess !!

Yes, perhaps a move to the new 10 GB PAYG at 19.99/month, or another
ISP (such as Demon Home) would be better, but it seems clear that to
expect to have choice over how one uses the connection, is no longer
an option for Premier customers, and never was for Plus customers.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:38:03 +0000, Peter M <us-mail@rocketmail.com>
wrote:

Seems an odd guess, since they would have been told a simple untruth.


That is not even remotely close to clear.

If a lot of your use is P2P or binary usenet, then Plusnet are not the
ISP for you.

But having a few things that it is not practical to make heavy use of
is not even close to not having a choice over how one uses the
connection.
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"Gareth :-\) voom" <iam@wanapoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:11tie7ke2b2gb40@corp.supernews.com...
If you want to use your connection for anything else other that email and
web browsing then PlusNet are not the ISP for you.
They not only restrict you speeds "for most of the day" but they also have
data download and upload "limits" on P2P and newsgroups.

If you use P2P and newsgroups then you will be better off leaving PlusNet. I
did and so far the grass is defiantly greener.
I am able to download from P2P at full speed all day and every day "no signs
of contention yet luckily at my exchange" if I see fit.
I am able to download from my paid for news account at full speed all day,
every day, if I see fit.
I am able to download and upload any data at all without looking at the
amount of data that has passed both up and down my connection.

Can you say that?

Say's it all in a nutshell.

"Pete M Williams" <postmaster@localhost> wrote in message
news:R_idnf-TkZjbQETeRVnyjg@eclipse.net.uk...



Sorry, forgot to add PlusNets VoIP service there.
No, not any VoIP service but only PlusNets own overpriced offering.
All other VoIP services by other providers are subject to PlusNets traffic
shaping. Not ideal for a technology that is so latency dependant is it?

So to surmise.
With PlusNet you get a cheap connection that is only guaranteed give you
full speed "contention aside" for web browsing, email and PlusTalk.
All other uses of your connection can be subject to throttling to some
extent all day and every day.

Also if you use PlusTalk or/with any other service's to an extent that it
means your usage figures go over one of the many different draconian usage
scales (peak time, total usage, P2P and newsgroup usage, to name but four)
then you can see your downloads throttled to the speed of a dial up
connection.

Broadband Britain!

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:07:58 -0000, "It's Me" <spam@spam.spam> wrote:

But wrongly.
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:42:53 -0000, "Pete M Williams"
<postmaster@localhost> wrote:

Not true at all.

I regularly use FTP, VPN, text newsgroups, and all are fine.


The limits are such that text newsgroup usage is fine, it is only
binary newsgroup usage that is problematic.

Again, "Binary" newsgroups.

And only if P2P and binary newsgroups are a major part of your usage.

If that is the case, then I agree, Plusnet are NOT a good choice of
ISP for that type of user.


Well I've never come close to hitting any of the limits, even though I
feel my usage is pretty heavy.

If it were important to me to be able to do that much, then I would go
somewhere else (and almost certainly pay more for it).

How much does the above cost from your current ISP?
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Gareth :-\) voom wrote:
I had same problem, switched to eclipse. Just to test, I have hammered the
connection for about 48hours, it barely dropped below 100kb on a 1mb
connection for the entire time.

On Plusnet, during the day it would go to 3kb, sometimes up to 10kb, then
around 1am it would shoot up.

Happy with my switch.

Gaz

"Alex Heney" <me8@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:udsjt1h9m1n50vhhh73dklme158o0cuidj@4ax.com...

I use FTP and VPN now and when I was with PlusNet and found the limits
restrictive with PlusNet as I have to send lots of edited/unedited media
content over my connection. So their Premier package was not for me.
Having to watch what the limits of three PC's, one laptop, one PDA, one PS2,
one XBox, one wireless media player (that streams net radio and web pages to
my big screen TV) and a PSP that gets updates from the net was not for me.
When we were on the trials for broadband at no point were throttles and caps
ever talked of. It was the exact opposite to be precise. It was championed
as the answer to streaming media and large file transfers.


I take it that this situation is only recent because when I left them, they
were throttling all newsgroups, text and binary.


Like I said


So the answer is no then.



Thats what I did


Ironically £29.99, the exact same amount I was happily paying PlusNet for an
unrestricted, clean connection before they changed direction.
There again it is a lot less than the £39.99 I was paying for a 512k
connection back in 2000

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:21:57 -0000, "Pete M Williams"
<postmaster@localhost> wrote:

They have set up a text only news server of their own, and that plus
many external text only servers have now been put in the "Silver"
queue.

Other news servers are in the "Bronze" queue.

The limit before your NNTP access gets throttled beyond what happens
by queue is 15Gb/month, which you would struggle to reach without
using binary groups.


<snip>

The "standard" amount for Premier is currently £21.99, so you are
paying £8 more than you would be with PN.

Which is worth it if your usage is such that PN are not suitable.
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Alex Heney wrote:
So still throttled to some extent then (PN call it "traffic shaped").

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Alex Heney wrote:
Are you sure, just wait the 1% will be on your doorstep sooner or
later..

"Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43ue7tF1pststU1@individual.net...
But isn't that the reason why PlusNet are happy you are gone and you are
happy you are gone and everyone else are happy you are gone? Because you
hammer the line? If you do that, someone else is suffering either in
bandwidth or service quality or pricing. Even for the sake of testing,
you've probably used more bandwidth than about 50 average Joe Bloggs over
the same period.

AMO

AMO wrote:
Learn to read you moron. Which part of 'test' did you not understand????

Some months I download very little, and some months i download a lot.
Plusnet was no longer suitable for me.

I dont hammer the connection all the time, or anyway close to it.

Gaz

"Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43v8osF1pr6qhU1@individual.net...
Test or otherwise, 48 hours is more than excessive. That kind of bandwidth
drain can hardly fall into the 'test' category for a private user.

I think that if 48 hours of hammering the bandwidth is your definition of a
test then I would say that you have more months of downloading more content.

Fair enough! ;0)

AMO