If I'm putting a BT line in for ADSL, and I want it to be only used for
that, what are my options for preventing the telephone side of it being
abused?

Can I get call barring, or will that affect the ADSL?

BT are telling me that changing the call barring may disrupt the ADSL line
but I really don't think that the BT-bot knows what they're talking about.
They may be right, but it'll be by accident if they are :-)

--
Mark Rogers, More Solutions Ltd
Drop -news if replying by email

Mark Rogers posted this...

FR
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Now in my 40th year of providing lunacy to the masses

www.flyingrat.net

"^ö^Flying Rat^ö^" wrote:
This is, indeed, my current approach :-)

However, since the ADSL lines are going into factories and since there'll be
plenty of bored operators around who won't be responsbile for the phone
bill, I reckon I should try and find a more robust solution...

--
Mark Rogers,
More Solutions Ltd

2 Options, hardware mod the plates by cutting links between the two sockets,
or the quick * dirty fix, Araldite in the phone socket side.

regards,

Dion L Heap
www.thetophouse.com

"Mark Rogers" <mark-news@quarella.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bebp1m$tuf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
Don't BT do things like "No outgoing calls" options?

D

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:03, "Mark Rogers" wrote:

One of my lines has call barring on it and no problems with
the ADSL service. It might have been mentioned (along with
the CD-50 caller display) as being incompatible, but works!

The (cheap, but not nasty) Dabs Value ADSL router has a BT
plug on the end, and you could put a plain modem cable on,
and no filter, so if they did know enough to put a socket
doubler on, and plug a handset it, they'd (a) get noise,
and then (b) find that call barring was in use. How will
you prevent any operator connected calls ? Peter M.

Peter Morgan wrote:
Thanks, Peter (and Moonshine) for confirming that call barring should work.

I'm already using a plain modem cable, although as ADSL becomes better
"known" I don't think that would stop a curious machine worker.

Hence wanting call barring as well.

I don't know - can you tell me?

Are BT not able to grasp the concept of "I don't want any chargeable calls
made on this line. My quarterly bill will not exceed the cost of line
rental." ??

Silly question, I guess.

--
Mark Rogers,
More Solutions Ltd

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:07, "Mark Rogers" wrote:

well, awkward in a business context (cannot use some options where a
residential line can come under the "In Contact" scheme, ie incoming
only, or have free call barring (but in many instances barring isn't
supplied free if used as a way to control spending).

0800reverse is blocked by incoming call barring (I'm using that on one
line), but a user could set up a daily reminder call (which would be
chargeable), if no barring is active. I suppose setting Charge Advice
to be on, all the time, might help reduce incidents of someone making a
call, if they do find a way, as the phone will ring shortly after hangup,
and make other staff curious!

I suppose a written note to the CS manager (address in Phone Book)
requesting a note be placed that all changes on the line can only be
made via <trusted contact> and see if there are any tips they can
provide, explaining intended use of the line and no voice use.

Someone recently posted in uk.telecom about needing lockable boxes.

You could put a 2K2 resistor between pins 2 & 5 - it''l be permanently
engaged for inbound and you won't get dialling tone on it. Only problem is,
BT might get it show up as a fault.


"Mark Rogers" <mark-news@quarella.co.uk> wrote in message
news:beblmn$493$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

In article <bebrau$vh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Mark Rogers
<mark-news@quarella.co.uk> writes
Does it not follow if you have call barring then you cannot make calls
even via the operator? I presume there is no dial tone.
--
Les Desser

"Mark Rogers" <mark-news@quarella.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bebk22$3m3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

I can't see why you couldn't get a line installed,
and configured for incoming calls only, and then put ADSL on it.

But as another observation:
Why not have the line terminate in a secured office to which
the great unwashed masses have no access?

Then only bring out Ethernet to the shop floor.

--
Ron

I read somewhere that you must have a 'normal' line to get ADSL - restricted
lines don't support it.


On 7/7/03 8:52 pm, in article
3f09cf67$0$56600$bed64819@pubnews.gradwell.net, "Ron Lowe"
<ron-msng@{d.e.l.e.t.e.}lowe-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 7 Jul 2003 20:51 +0100, Les Desser <leslie@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

user-controlled call barring does give a dialtone (else you could not
send a command to withdraw the barring of calls). Peter M.

"Mark Rogers" <mark-news@quarella.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bebk22$3m3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

Just ask BT for the line to be made OCB (outgoing calls barred) and ICB
(incoming calls barred)

Problem solved, absolutely no risk of outgoing calls or incoming reverse
charge calls

Paul

"Mark&Lisa" <markandlisa@*undies*postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vgopf130u10012@corp.supernews.com...
I don't think they do so long as the renter of the line is paying the
standard line rental and not the reduced rental as with an in touch line etc

Paul

On 10 Jul 2003 00:32 GMT, "Paul G" wrote:

SECTION 1. EXCHANGE LINES Part 29. BT Broadband Self Install

Customers with the following services will not be eligible for BT Broadband.
However, should they wish to acquire BT Broadband, Customers will have to
acquire a BT `PSTN single line' and pay the relevant conversion charges
where appropriate.

Lines not provided by BT
In Contact
Light User Scheme Lines
Outgoing calls barred lines <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Payphone lines
Temporary Lines
Low Loss Lines
Alarm Lines
ISDN 30 or Multilines
Out of Area lines
DDI Lines
Red Care Lines
Metre Pulse Facility Lines
Custodial Tagging Lines
Calls and Access Lines
Exchange Lines provided on Non-Served Premises
PSTN Split lines
Telepoint

Although the text above is for getting BT Broadband not BT IPStream,
the service we're using as end users of an ISP offering ADSL, I could
see nothing similar (under the conditions section) in any part of the
BT PL in Section 44. Indeed the majority of "Conditions" entries say
only that they're under the conditions relevant for BT IPStream (and
it looks like they put that paragraph in where the small print goes,
BICBW - if anyone has found a proper description, please post a URL!)