"kraftee" <kraftee@spamoff& die.com> wrote in message
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"On the majority of plug in filters, from the plug to the filter
Stop talking out of your arse man, if this were so they would not meet BT
type approval. Jesus, you are and utter idiot. What bit don't you
understand. If you have filters as you describe they are faulty, poorly
designed and not in accordance with BT type approval. You would also see
hoards of people complaing of BNR who owned them.

Go and brush up on your basic understanding before you make yourself look a
bigger cunt. Twat.

Ed Start wrote:
Unfortunately you are just proving you don't read what is posted & I'll
repost what someone else has already posted....

SIN 346, issue 2.5 datedAugust 2004, section 7 and there you will find in a
note to para (j)"Note that the standard BT PSTN CPE interface is a 3 wire
circuit
whereby the bell wire is AC-coupled from line B This bell wire must either
be filtered by the filter or left open circuit at the Line Port and
recreated at the Telephony Port of the filter. This may be achieved using a
1.8uf capacitor between line B (pin 5) and the bell wire (pin 4) at the
Telephony Port."

Now think about what is above, actually read it...

I don't expect you to say you are wrong but the above is from a BT document
(many thanks to the person who did post the quote) & does indeed state that
the bell circuit is not neccesarily connected to the filter & that the
filter can generate the ringing, which most (if not all) plug in filters do.
So removing the bell wire from the equation makes no difference...

Yes I know you will postulate & bluster & call names but you are incorrect &
always will be no matter how much you shout...

By the way, stop attempting to confuse the issue by multiple postings on
different groups, it only helps to upset you

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Ed Start <lost@inspace.com> wrote:

FWIW, the filters supplied by PlusNet do not take an input from pin 3 but -
via an internal capacitor - they *do* generate a ring signal on pin 3 of
their phone outlet.

I don't actually use the filters because I've got a filtered faceplate
instead BUT I was able to solve a problem for my son by using one. He
recently moved into a flat where his answering machine wouldn't answer
because the socket where he plugged it in didn't have pin 3 connected for
some reason. I gave him one of the filters (even tho' he's not on BB) and
when he put it between the phone socket and his answering machine, BINGO the
machine then answered ok.

Perhaps you would care to explain *that* in terms of your pre-conceived
notion as to what filters do!
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"kraftee" <kraftee@spamoff& die.com> wrote in message
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Let me try and help you with this:>

"This bell wire must either be filtered by the filter"

Which means it still has continuity

"or left open circuit at the Line Port and recreated at the Telephony Port
of the filter".

"AND Recreated at the telephony port" = continuity of bell circuit." Which
bit have you got a problem with? The word 'Continuity' that mean an
electrical connection. If a ring AC wave appears on the bell wire the
adaptor/filter must recreate it at the telephony port. WHich bit don't you
understand. Someone for God sake help him out here.

That reads IF it is left open circuit it has to be reacreated which amounts
to the same thing, continuity. No bell continuity NOT APPROVED.

Think about what you are saying for a moment. Do you think BT would approve
an adaptor or filter that was NOT compliant with it's network standards?
Just because you seem to have no problem disconnecting the bell circuit does
not mean BT has changed it's isis or approval documents.

Take some of your own advice and read the quote above that you have
supplied. Then go the next step and learn to understand it. You seem to lack
this bit.

If I were wrong I'd happily admit it and say sorry. When would you like to?

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:18:07 UTC, "Ed Start" <lost@inspace.com> wrote:

You're wriggling here. That is not continuity.

3 wires INTO the filter.

3 wires OUT OF the filter.

2 wires THROUGH the filter. There is no continuity on the third one.

Off you go, then...

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Ed Start wrote:
Wrong continuity means physical contact, recreation doesn't mean physical
contact or else it wouldn't need to be recreated would it, as it would
already be there...
Funny that I've got at least 10 filters in my van all provided by BT, all 2
wire connections. I'll admit I've got a lot more SSFP's which are 3 wire as
well though.

You'll do anything to stretch at knats to try to prove yourself right.

You've read the relevant part of the documentation, you haven't even
bothered to check what is or isn't connected in a filter for yourself, you
are just trying to bluster your way to the top with complete disregard of
what is & what isn't true & as such are a complete waste of space time &
energy......

In message <1105526819.681174@ernani.logica.co.uk>, Jeff W
<Jeff@nospam.com> writes
No. You need a filter every where a phone or extension is plugged in.
Please don't post in HTML.
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In article <41e6e592$0$55486$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
lost@inspace.com (Ed Start) wrote:

Crap... Find that in the Approvals... and produce a URL.

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If it's recreated, it's there. Period. It must provide 3 output terminals.
Therefore the bell signal is there which makes the output 3 wires, on the
quote you provide.

Be it electrical continuity or replicated with a capacitor it still has to
provide the three terminals out to comply, from your own quote.

Bearing in mind a filter is a single stand alone item, the replication would
have to be within offering 3 output terminals to comply with the approval
for which you quote. YES OR NO???

Mr Cummins, late in the day for you to join in, but look at the specific
quote offered (not by me) and see the supplied url from the OP.

In article <41e7f46e$0$42579$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
lost@inspace.com (Ed Start) wrote:

I didn't quote anything.

You said that if there are only two wires, it's not approved. Provide the
URL of the specification which BABT says has to be met...

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Thanks for all info.

I've bought XTF-85 pre-filtered socket from ASDLnation and have a question
about wiring it in
as no instructions were provided with the product and no-one in the office
today..)

Inside the socket has 6 connections labelled as

ASDL screw connections
Line5
NC
Line2

Phone "clip" connections
Phone5
Ring4
Phone2

My existing telephone socket has wiring to
Dark Blue - Line 2
Orange - Line 3
Light Blue - Line 5

So I assume I just need to re-connect as follows
Dark Blue to Phone Line2
Orange to Phone Ring4
Light Blue to Phone Line5

and leave the ASDL connections free?

Many thanks

Jeff

"Jeff W" <Jeff@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Am upgrading to BroadBand shortly and have a question about the
installation of microfilters.

BT master socket upstairs. Dect phone base station plugged into that.

2 extension sockets run downstairs. 1 to study and 1 to lounge.
Using the study socket for dial up access to be replaced by ASDL.
Lounge socket is currently unused.

Id like to keep dial up for occasional use from the study.

So am I right in assuming I need just 1 microfilter in the study to
split the ASDL router and modem? None upstairs or the unused socket?

TIA

Jeff

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:41:54 GMT, "Jeff W" <nomailthx@mail.com> strung
together this:

Sounds good to me.
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Jeff W <nomailthx@mail.com> wrote:


If you read the blurb about it on the ADSLNation site, it says:
" Easy Installation with screw terminal connectors for incoming connection
and IDC terminals on the rear allow connection of additional hardwired
telephone extensions. Ideal for people who would rather not have filters
plugged in to the telephone socket or situations where equipment must be
hardwired to the line such as alarm systems."

My interpretation of that is that you need to connect your Line 2 and Line 5
to the screw connectors. You probably don't need to connect line 3 (or 4
depending on which numbering scheme to subscribe to) to anything - because
the socket will have its own capacitor to generate a ring signal for any
phone plugged in. The IDC terminals are there to allow additional sockets to
be daisy chained off this one - and you won't need them. [If you connect
your *incoming* wires to these, the ADSL socket is going to be on the wrong
side of the filter - and won't work.
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:04:14 -0000, "Tiscali Tim" <tele@privacy.net>
strung together this:

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