On Sun, 04 May 2008 17:30:37 GMT, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

Please learn how to spell 'colour'.
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Pete M <pete.murray@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
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Oh, good. I'm finding him _hilarious_.

Adrian wrote:
Honestly Adrian. Don't confuse the halfwit with facts, it'll only lead
to a billion more crossposts from him.

I'm pretty sure that no-one in the thread agrees with anything he's
written, and that he's only doing it to attempt to get attention.
Probably gets a semi everytime anyone replies to this bullshit.

I'm a bit pissed off that I've probably just given a lobotomised BNP
loving Nazi halfwit a semi, but it'll probably just lead to him having a
sticky keyboard.

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On Sun, 4 May 2008 22:10:26 +0100, a@2.z wrote
(in article <pf9s1493aunhq78f6a89fr89pfnh77d9j9@4ax.com>):

is that the racist Boris Johnson? You mean the grandson of turkish
immigrants, himself married to an Indian?

On Sun, 4 May 2008 22:51:17 +0100, mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote

I presume you're talking about the post-war immigration of Australians and
New Zealanders?

<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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which would cost £billions.
Doing nothing costs nothing, except perhaps the disintegration of society?
But the Treasury can't put a pounds and pence price on that, it doesn't
matter

Steve Terry

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immigration.
It's no wonder those who feel dispossessed ally themselves to the far right.

It seems as every day goes by, it's more and more like living in a real life
version of the movie "Soylent Green", it's no longer possible to walk
from one end of any UK towns High Street without having to dodge
left and right to avoid colliding with the ever growing masses.

IMHO nothing is going to change here, seems the only solution if feeling
dispossessed, is to join the white flight and leave UK PLC for countries
with more space and a better enforced immigration policy.

Steve Terry

St Georges Day April 23rd <bbbbbdfgdfgdgddfg@googlemail.com> wrote:

A shame that the BNP don't get more treatment like that. Those scumbags
need to be smashed like all other fascist scumbags.

If only the BNP would... Or, better yet, why don't all BNP members just
compost themselves? I'm sure they'd bring the roses up a treat, and
that way they'd have a chance to make the world a better place in a
fashion they'd never manage if alive.

Anyway, this is politics for you: if the BNP candidate doesn't like the
treatment he's getting, that's his problem.

If the other candidates shun him, tough titty. He made himself a social
outcast by joining the scumbag BNP racist political party.

These other candidates were elected by the huge majority of Londoners
who think that fascist scum are fascist scum without any redeeming human
traits who should be smashed into oblivion. And so they are treating
this BNP pariah as their voters would like - well, maybe too gently for
the liking of many. Fascist scum need smashing as far as I'm concerned
- it's the only language they understand (yeah? Bloody Red Ken *AND*
Boris agree with me).

This BNP scumbag could always renounce fascism and return to the company
of decent, civilised people if he doesn't ilke it.

Rowland.
(who knows what side of the barricades he'd've been on in Cable
Street[1][2])

[1] Yeah, yeah, it was mostly running about, but only mostly.

[2] Am I a Jew-lover? I only got that lucky the once... She was called
Rachel ;-)

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Retired <retired@bprivacy.com> wrote:

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<shrug> One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Fascists are just plain scum and that's that.

That's the bottom line.

No terrorist has ever done as much killing as governments do in any case
- why complain about terrorists and not about `legitimate' governments.
Hell, the US authorities still slaughter members of their own population
as a matter of routine public policy. That's much worse than what the
IRA did.

Anyway, Sinn Fein is/was the /political/ wing of the IRA and it was the
IRA that handled the killing.

If you think it's okay to have (e.g.) New Labour in power, which has
been slaughtering foreigners with our armed forces for several years in
Iraq and Afghanistan, well, how could you object to Sinn Fein?

(after all, the British government was oppressing and occasionally
murdering Irish people, particularly the RC lot, and that slaughter was
a /trivial/ aspect of the whole `Irish Question'. Seems to me that the
IRA was acting against a legitimate grievance, for all that it used
methods I personally abhor and deplore. But if you're getting shot at
and beaten up and your homes smashed to bits by the cops doing `routine
searches' (etc, etc), with society around you keeping you poor and
oppressed (1960s, that), is it any wonder we got what we got? After
all, while Irish talk about what the Black and Tans (some time before)
were and what they did is often pure fiction, the Black and Tans were
unquestionably a bunch of brutal murdering bastards and they were sent
to Ireland to terrorise the Irish into submission - well, so the Irish
didn't like it, what a surprise, and while Irish mythology paints the
B&Ts as having origins other than what I've read about, that's
reasonable to and the bastards deserve to be demonised.)

If you want to blame the political wing of a bunch of killers, might I
point out that the lawful government of the UK has over the years
slaughtered untold numbers of people, on battlefields and on the
gallows. Not to mention the poor sods who got fried in the Dresden
firestorm.

Sinn Fein's never killed anyone that I know of; I've read suggestions
that the British authorities have caused the death of Sinn Fein people.

Not that I believe anything.

Last thing I heard, they couldn't do so.

Because Sinn Fein had a legitimate cause; the BNP is not remotely legit
in its claims and aims. Sinn Fein was/is associated with terrorist
murderers for sure - but in that, they are no worse than any other
politician or political group that has wielded power, such as Tony Bliar
and his crony Broon. Or Mrs T. Or Winston `Bloodthirsty' Spencer
Churchill. Wasn't it Harold Wilson who sent the troops into Northern
Ireland? So he could be viewed as a worse terrorist murderer than
anyone in Sinn Fein.

I'd sooner share a pot of tea with a terrorist murderer than with a
fascist scumbag. The terrorist murderer would have me asking him what
the hell he was playing at. I know about fascist scumbags and I'm not
interested in anything they have to say: I just have a powerful urge to
smash them all. And that means everyone in the BNP - the lot of you are
unfit for decent society, and it'd do the country a lot of good to
expell them all. But where to? Middle of the ocean, if I had my way.
BNP people are disgusting creatures.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. No terrorist has
ever done as much killing as governments do.

Fascists such as the BNP - all of 'em - are just plain scum.

The BNP has no place in society - it needs to be got rid of.

I'll accept that the BNP is giving a voice to those who have particular
points to make. Very well: let their voices be heard, and let's address
the problems which cause the ignoramouses of the BNP to complain as they
do.

But I'm still going to call anyone in or aligned with the BNP a fascist
scumbag, and I'll probably try shouting down any BNP speechifying I
might meet in public.

Yeah, I really am that suicidally crazy - let the Nazi scum beat me up
if I do that, then I'll telephone the Grauniad and see what *they* do
about it.

The BNP - all of them - are not fit for civilised society, and that's
that.

Rowland.
(who's an anarcho-syndicalist with monarchist tendencies and has no time
at all for government, politics, laws, or any other form of coercion)

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On Mon, 5 May 2008 02:15:06 +0100, Rowland McDonnell wrote:

Sinn Fein usually composts people.

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<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

The BNP membership is unfit for decent society, is not up to the
standards of decent Englishmen like myself, and I think you should all
be deported to somewhere that decent people don't have to be offended by
your lack of civilisation - Pitcairn Island, maybe?

The fact that the BNP calls itself the `British' anything should be an
affront to all decent, civilised British people - and since us English
are the source of most of the BNP scum, I think it's up to us to tell
'em where to get off.

I am a white-skinned, blue-eyed, native born Englishman, and I have this
to say:

Get off this island! You do not belong here!

DEPORT THE BNP!

BNP OUT!

I grew up in London in the 1970s, surrounded by what we are trained to
call black, brown, and yellow faces. West Indians (the only Africans
I'd met were brown of skin - expelled from Kenya and Uganda), `Asians',
and `Chinese' (or wogs, pakis, and chinks as the NF tendency put it -
the precursors of the BNP were showing their colours quite openly back
then) - not to mention the odd German, Irish, Italian, Japanese, and all
the rest.

I attended what would now be termed `multicultural' schools, except they
were solidly monocultural as far as I could tell, filled with people
from all over the place. Christians (RC, CofE, etc), Muslims, Jews, and
the majority of us who had been lucky to have escaped religious
brainwashing, all mixed up and no-one gave a damn.

The darkies starting coming here in large numbers in the 1950s. All my
life - I'm a 1967 model - I've known people with non-white skin, from
cultures other than my own.

And you know what?

It's all great.

The only problem back in the 1970s was that some people didn't know
anything about `these other people' and wanted to harm them - just
ignorance wanting to smash what it doesn't understand. That was the
National Front.

The NF was smashed by the ANL - well, the British have a history of
smashing fascists and similar scum, even when they're English, and the
other parts of the UK aren't quite as inclined to do that fascist
scumbag thing, are they? Wahey!

Then the BNP was born from the wreckage of the smashed NF - same scum,
more intelligent approach.

But I know exactly what to do about you lot whatever flag you're flying:
you're evil racist scumbags who need to be smashed.

No-one in the BNP deserves to live in England in particular - I'd deport
the lot of you to St Helena or somewhere else that you can't do any
harm.

No-one in the BNP is good enough to be called `British'.

You know what? I'd say that about 90% of the black lads at my school
were clearly a superior race of man to the NF scum I knew back then.
About 90% of the blacks were cleaner, stronger, more intelligent, better
educated, more decent, more civilised, had better parents, better homes,
some decent self-respect, and so on when compared to the NF skinhead
moron scumbags who went out `paki bashing' (never coon/wog bashing -
they were too cowardly to pick on people who weren't smaller and weaker
than they were).

The BNP are a lesser breed; the race would be improved by getting rid of
the lot of you.

God for King Harry, England, and St George! - now let's go out there and
win the fight against the evil dragon of the BNP.

Rowland.
(a decent, loyal, native born Englishman - unlike the BNP membership)

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On 5 May, 01:25, real-address-in-...@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland
McDonnell) wrote:
It's when otherwise reasonable, middle-of-the-road people like you
believe it is acceptable to parrot vindictive prejudices like that,
that I feel forced to conclude that the victims of your opprobrium are
persecuted minorities, and therefore deserving of my support.

Do you mind if I smoke? I don't actually smoke: can't stand the smell,
but under the present political climate I feel I really should start.
Ditto pistol shooting and foxhunting.

After all, Martin Niemoller wasn't a communist.

<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

They damned well are, you lying bastard. I've had dealings with BNP
members and I've read the literature. Oh yes, I know you people. I
wanted to make sure, and I did. You are scum who do not deserve British
citizenship: you should all be thrown out of this marvellous nation that
you are trying to wreck.

For sure it's official BNP policy to claim that they're not racist, but
that's total bullshit that anyone with any wit can see right through.

The BNP are unquestionably racist scum, just like the NF and just like
Mosley's British Union of Fascists. The NF were the most low-life of
the three I list - the BNP is a lot more like the BUF if you ask me.
But the BNP is descended from the NF.

So:

The way to deal with the BNP is the same way the BUF and NF were dealt
with: stand up to you scum and fight for decency and civilisation until
you are smashed flat.

You lie.

Immigration is what made England great, and it's what's putting England
back on top.

Every one of us is descended from immigrants - multiple waves of
immigrants who have been coming here since the last ice age (which wiped
out the preious human inhabitants, who might not have been quite the
same type of `homo' as us).

Enoch Powell was worried not about *RACE* or *IMMIGRATION* /in
themselves/.

(there was a very interesting programme on Radio 4 about the matter not
very long ago)

What Powell was concerned about was what he called `communalism'. He
was an imperial administrator when India was given independence, and he
was horrified at the inter-communal slaughter that went on - Hindus vs.
Muslims, and all the rest of it. Many Indians were just as horrified
with it as he was.

Powell was worried that the something similar would happen here, because
after all it was the same basic government running things and they'd
proven utterly incapable of doing anything about the problems in India.

Powell saw the same sort of `communal' factionalism building up in the
UK, and he had heard how `the ordinary English working man' was
objecting. His consituents told him what they thought; he told the
country what his constituents thought. He spoke out. And what happened
in response to him airing the concerns of his consituents?

His basic concern was viewed as entirely legitimate by both the PM
Wilson and Powell's own party leader, Heath; not to mention any number
of concerned `coloured' people. They happened to disagree on the
details of his analysis, and generally agreed with each other that `We
just can't be doing with this sort of thing' while also agreeing that
the potential for the trouble that Powell referred to was real.

So, they dealt with it. Not Powell's way - not by trying to stop the
immigration, not by `sending them back where they belong' - but by
enabling the immigrants better to integrate into British society.

We never had the rivers of blood. The risk that was there has now gone.

Granted, it wasn't until the race riots of the early 1980s that the
government started working on the job in a really effective fashion, but
that was a quarter of a century ago.

Powell's worries have by now been defused, for all that they sacked him
and shut him up pronto.

Since Powell's concerns were addressed successfully, there is no longer
any reason to worry about `rivers of blood' here in the way he did.
He's dead now, but he did have a valid grievance about the way they
treated him: although they viewed the concerns he aired as legit, and
although they addressed them, they sacked him and shut him up and
treated him as if he were one of the low-life racist scum pariahs that
make up the membership of the BNP.

<shrug> Well, I'm not surprised, given what Powell said - but I still
don't like it.

Admittedly, there are areas in Britain (places in England I know well)
where one might worry about the effects of Powell-type `communalism' -
there are some very worrying British so-called Muslim communities, where
the people seem to be so far disconnected from the mainstream of UK
culture that - well, I could write an essay on the subject from my own
personal experiences. It's *terrifying*. Just one example: I sat down
one day with two degree-educated brothers from Blackburn and found out
that they assumed all white people in the UK were Christian and
anti-Muslim as a result, because that's what they'd been taught. This
was in 1990/91. They were in their mid 20s, and both had been born and
raised in Blackburn. Well, there was a bunch of us (all MSc students on
the same course) who put 'em straight on that one pretty quickly - they
seemed quite shocked at (for example) my vehement renunciation of
anything to do with churches and priests, not to mention the loud
objections of others to being identified as a Christian at all. And
then there was the shredding of the idea that Christian equated to
anti-Muslim.

Thing is, the risks seem to be well understood by `the powers that be',
and the `official Muslim community leaders' I hear from (who gives them
their authority? No-one ever seems to explain that) seem to understand
that they've either got to fit in or suffer a wave of anti-Muslim action
from the UK population at large which would cause their people very
serious problems. So it's being dealt with, just as these problems were
dealt with before. Things are changing as they always do; as has always
happened before in Britain, the immigrants are having a spot of bother
to begin with, but each group ends up fitting in fine.

What we've got now is no risk of `rivers of blood' in Powell's terms:
just more terrorist nutters - and the sort we've got threatening us now
are nothing like as dangerous as the terrorists who were attacking
England and NI in particular back in the 1970s. Or don't you remember
all those terrorist bombings and hijackings?

<shrug> As far as I can figure out, the only risks we've got at the
moment come from the `shut in communities'. There is a problem with
some `communalities' consisting of aggregations of people `all from the
same bit of the same foriegn country'. It's a problem when they're from
(for example) some backwards rural part of the arse end of Pakistan,
where `Muslim' means `oppressing women, and the men running everything
by killing those who go against orders'. That's uncivilised - and they
bring their uncivilised culture here with them. It's got to be stopped.

Thing is, urban educated Pakistanis are even more pissed off with that
sort than I am. I've heard them on the radio. They think that sort of
culture is as out of order and despicable as I do - in fact, right on a
par with the BNP, which they also despise as I do.

So: decent people agree on what's decent. The BNP is not decent and
that's that; but that doesn't mean that the issues raised by the BNP are
all made up, nor does it mean that these issues do not need addressing.

Rowland.

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A. J. Moss <ajmoss_throwaway_account_001@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

The problem is that you assume I'm prejudiced.

You are seriously mistaken in your assumption.

Now, because you made that idiotic assumption, I know that you are
utterly impervious to reason and you're probably a troll.

But I'm going to fire another broadside anyway.

I *KNOW* these people. I grew up with the National Front around me. I
was in London as the BNP came up.

I know them, I've had discussions with them, read their literature -
they are as I state.

I hate racist scumbags with a very deep and abiding passion - me, a
native-born, white-skinned, blue-eyed, loyal Englishman.

If there's anything like the BNP around, I'll smell them out and I'll
shout and scream and oppose them in any way I can until they are smashed
and gone.

You're an ignorant tosser, sunshine. Of course the BNP is a persecuted
minority! And quite right too.

There are thankfully a tiny fraction of the British population in the
BNP, and they're persecuted because they're scum who need to be
persecuted to stop them behaving like scum or to get 'em out of the
country entirely.

No, I'm not trying to convince you. History shows that there is no
point in discussion or argument on this one: pick your side, and make a
stand.

The BNP shall lose as did the NF and the BUF beforehand. All scum, all
pretty much the same - except that the NF were much more low-life than
the BNP or BUF.

The government is doing it wrong on the firearms and foxhunting matters.
It's doing it right with smoking. I do smoke, don't shoot guns (used to
do arrows), and can't even ride a horse let alone ride in a fox hunt.

None of those issues have anything to do with the BNP: I know them, and
they are scum.

Great non-sequiters of our time.

btw, it's Niemöller or Niemoeller.

Rowland.

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<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

So: you reckon the centuries-old antagonism between the English, Irish,
Welsh, and Scots (in various combinations) is entirely due to
`immigration since the 1950s'?

We're all either immigrants or the descendents of immigrants, you twat.

Wake up!

Britain was made Great by multiple waves of immigration - it's nothing
but good for the nation to get more if you ask me.

We had racial tension in the 1960s and 1970s. It was defused in the
early 1980s.

I was there: I was living in London during the 1980s race riots. They
had no direct effect on me or my peers in themselves - but it seems the
black lads found that they ended up getting less shit off the cops.
Some sort of useful response. The Irish kept getting hassle - I got
looked at rather closely once by a chap who I reckon might well have
been MI5, for no other reason than my surname AFAICT.

What we have now is a different problem.

It's not racial tension we've got, but cultural tension: we're suffering
from the fact that the Islamic world contains many sub-cultures, some of
which are deeply uncivilised and brutal by decent standards.

It's a very long story where it comes from, why it's a problem, and what
might be done about it (that last point is baffling lots of very well
informed and clever people right now).

You do know that the number of people killed by so-called Muslim
terrorists in this country in recent years is less than the number of
people slaughtered by bad drivers on British roads /every week/?

You do know that terrorism of that sort is anti-Islamic, and that it's
all the fault of evil men with evil hearts trying to win power for
themselves, teaching innocent, vulnerable youngsters how to hate and
fear and murder in the name of `god'? That honest, decent Muslims
detest that type even more than Nick Griffin does? Probably even more
than they detest Nick Griffin himself, at a guess.

And that the IRA has killed thousands.

And that the British government has slaughtered more British people over
the years than all the terrorists ever operating here have killed in
total?

And British drivers have killed more than either the government or the
terrorists, and continue to slaughter about 60 people a week with hardly
any public outcry at all?

Rowland.


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Simon Dobbs <simondobbs@froglet.net> wrote:

Boris Johnson is not racist in any bothersome or even any remotely
normal sense - he's just got a carefully cultivated `dippy old fart'
persona and he really hates staying `on message'.

And he was right about Scousers. I live on Merseyside - I know.

I'm not sure his wife is 100% Indian, is she?

I dunno, but I read recently that he said the kid(s) were 1/4 Indian.

Rowland.


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<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

My father was born in 1936 - about the time you might be thinking of
having been born, perhaps?

His best mate for many decades was a Jewish refugee who fled the Nazis
(as a young student) the year my dad was born.

The only other member of Wolf's family who survived Hitler's genocide
was his sister.

My father lived through the Blitz (well, he was evacuated...), through
the reconstruction of the 1950s, and watched it all fall to bits through
the 1970s.

The falling to bits was caused by greedy unions and incompetent
government - entirely the fault of the `native British population'.

Traitor! You need to be strung up, you do. Hitler wanted to
incorporate Britain into the German empire - that's the work he wanted
to finish and you say you wanted it!

I name you traitor!

It's a good job that the British police have such a good record at
clearing up murders, or I'd be hunting you down right now. As it is, I
wouldn't dream of attemping to clean up the world by killing you.

People like you make me wish I were a murdering psychopath so I wouldn't
be as restrained as I am. The world doesn't need your sort and I am not
ashamed but deeply angry that Britain contains scum like you.

Rowland.

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Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:

Only since the cockup over the foundation of Israel. If the method used
hadn't involved brutally dispossessing the existing (Arab) inhabitants
of the land that became the nation of Israel, we'd not have the current
problems.

And that job was done by British troops. On the other hand, it was a US
plan. Still, Britain is to blame for the Arab/Israeli conflict probably
as much as any other nation.

We are reaping what our predecessors sowed...

[snip]

Rowland.

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Invisible Man <Invisible@invisible.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

I've met a lot more objectionable white English people than any other
sort of person I can think of.

Rowland.

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Pete M <pete.murray@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

Well, yes.

That depends what sort of classification you're interested in.

Stick me out in the sunshine, and my skin'll burn sooner than that of a
black person's.

On the other hand, I'm not going to come down with sickle cell
leukaemia; on the other other hand, I'm missing the protection against
malaria that goes along with running the risk of getting sickle cell
leukaemia.

That kind of `classification based on skin colour' works.

Rowland.

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