On TV last night the subject of Phorm came up and it was said the Big 3 ISPs
were into it, but their customers would be able to opt out.
If these 3 start doing the reporting of customers internet use to Phorm how
will such as I go on using Tesco who use Virgin one of these 3?
I guess many of us using a non big 3 ISP might pass on into the Big 3.

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David wrote:
First off - spend an hour or two on this site. This will explain all.
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/welcome.htm

Then - just hope the whole thing collapses - it's very much in the
balance. Looks illegal, and unlikley to ever work properly (too complex
& full of security risks).

If - heaven forbid - it does kick off, then move to another ISP. The
choice seems to be -
Cheap ISP - Phorm snooping and a flood of "Targeted" adverts, plus low
grade service.
OR
Higher price ISP (say >£25/month) for an ISP with no snooping and decent
service. (Zen Internet, for example)

You get what you pay for, I'm afraid.

John

John Livingston wrote:
BT are the biggest instigator of Phorm and have already ran trials of the
system (and are planning more) - so your theory doesn't bear water I'm
afraid.

"Tanner-'op" <tannerop@i......nvalid.com> wrote in message
news:xumdnbWhtZWMDaHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
is the smaller ISPs who pass through these big 3 are we at risk of Phorm due
to going through the big 3?
So changing might not help, I do not feel I can trust anyone.

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David wrote:
Virgin are being quite coy over their intentions. I guess they will go
ahead if BT do (but as I said - let's wait and see). I would be very
surprised if sub contract ISPs do not follow suit.

It's your choice - but if BT goes ahead, _I'm_ off, even if it means
paying a premium for my privacy.

The cold economic fact is that the large ISPs have driven their prices
down to far below cost, and they have to make a profit somehow. The true
price of an ISP connection, to allow for a sensible margin and quality
of service would be about £25-30.

John

"John Livingston" <null@nospam.com> wrote in message
So I might well end up getting the Phorm by default, that was my worry.
But if you move from BT how can you be sure that at some stage your new ISP
is not in same boat as me with Tesco?
Also most of us use BT lines to get to the ISP, yet another way for BT to
get info. from you and me.
By the way Tesco not cheap and almost in your price band.
£20 unlimited and 1mb, I get 0.96mb.
Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but not
wanting to get another 12month contract.)
They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

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David wrote:

The BT lines you mention are from BT Wholesale, Phorm is being touted by
BT Retail. They are two VERY different animals, and are kept so by the
regulator. The whispers I hear in the industry are that BT Wholesale may
be as angry as the rest of us over the whole BT Retail/Phorm issue.

In terms of being sure - nothing's sure in this life IMHO. Best to work
with probabilities.

If Tesco are charging that much for 1Mb fixed rate service, I wouldn't
think they'd have the nerve to implement Phorm, but as I say, nothing's
sure.

If you want an unmonitored service, go for business rather than
consumer. Business costs more because the service quality is higher. No
business is going to tolerate covert monitoring of their business
traffic (Industrial espionage, anyone ?).

John

"John Livingston" <null@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:RKCdnWl0FKtUTaLVnZ2dnUVZ8sfinZ2d@bt.com...
Best thing is to ask your target ISP directly, before you sign up.
I asked my ISP - Plusnet (who are now owned by BT Retail) because I would
move away from them if they adopted Phorm/Webwise.
They replied to say that they had no plans to adopt Phorm and if they did,
they would tell everyone.
That's good enough for me, so I'm staying put.

George

David wrote:

Idnet. Virtually unbeatable.

Graham

John Livingston wrote:

You pay for exclusivity, you get exclusivity.

Go with a small business only ISP, and pay enough to keep them in business.

It would take some pretty expensive and obvious kit to start monitoring
THEIR backhaul for info and would be utterly outside BT wholesale's
T&C's and probably against OFTEL regs..


If you are on cable, tough.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

That's why I use Idnet. They're fairly small and mainly business oriented.
Consequently personal customers get all the benefits of a business-class ISP
including an SLA (service level agreement) a term simply unheard of by the
various huge and crap 'consumer' ISPs. The SLA ensures that faults will be
dealt with within (in the case of personal customers) a 48 hour time frame -
although if it's a BT fault, there's not too much they can do about that other
than chase them (which they DO !). You also get to talk to technically
competent BRITISH people on a freephone number if you need to (which is likely
to be rare).

Yes it costs a few quid more (but less than Zen) but as others have said, you
get what you pay for.

Also of course, no throttling or other bandwidth restrictions. Idnet
continually monitor their bandwidth usage and plan in extra capacity BEFORE
they run out of it and performance drops, the ONLY ISP I know of to make this
claim.

Yup, good as ever !
http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...5952&v=4389448

Graham

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:484024D7.151D513C@hotmail.com...
Nice easy tester that.
On my 1mb Tesco gives me 992kb not bad.

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David wrote:

I have found it to be the most reliable around.


Fine if that's all you require.

How much does your Tesco account cost btw ? Any limits or restrictions etc ?

Graham

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
contract .
Would be £25 for 2mb which is their fastest. ( which I would go for but not
wanting to get another 12month contract.)
They do not do these new high speeds with fair usage.

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"David" <david.park@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:JiY%j.32122$%B6.15484@newsfe13.ams2...
Very poor value - and operated for Tesco by Virgin Media.
I'm currently dealing with Tesco Internet on a data protection case.
I made enquiries to them a few years ago about internet service but didn't
take it up because they didn't offer anything above 2 Meg. (I went with
Plusnet instead).
This week, I received two identical letters from Tesco telling me that "the
credit card you use to pay for your Tesco internet service is about to
expire"
Their customer support service couldn't (wouldn't) understand my reply that
I have never had service with them and asking why are they holding on to my
credit card details.
I am currently corresponding with Tesco's Finance Director and Data
Protection Controller by letter.
Enough said?
:-(

George

David wrote:

Do you know how much you actually download ? I.e. do you really need unlimited
usage ?

Graham

David wrote:

Well .... £25 with Idnet gets you one of the best UK ISPs, 8Mbps down, 30GB
allowance (would that be enough) and unlimited uploads FWIW.

Graham

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48406AAA.FCE6C673@hotmail.com...

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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
How do they, or you handle News Groups?
Tesco.net doing NGs for me into Windows Live Mail

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David

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I used to receive spam addressed to the previous occupants of this
house from NTL (cable TV).

I rang their laughingly called 'Customer Services' to point out that
the previous occupants had moved out over a year ago. I was told by
Miss HowCanIAvoidHelpingYouSir that the records for my address could
not be expunged without the previous occupants' written permission. I
demanded to speak to a manager, whom I told that they were in all
probability breaking the DP Act, and that I intended to bring the
matter to the attention of the commissioner.

The spam stopped.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 20:52:26 +0100, "George Weston"
<geoweston@NOSPAMgooglemail.com> wrote: