"Jonathan Buzzard" <jonathan@uk.me.buzzard> spoke the truth in message:

"It is one thing for the Royal Mail to handle envelopes containing illegal
material, it would be entirely another for them to set up post boxes
specially marked for you to put such material in."

Totally agree. I further put it that plusnet make this material and groups
available as a feature to sell their services. Nice to share an isp with
peados and weirdos.
Perhaps your business customers would share the same view?

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:04:30 +0000, PlusNet Support Team wrote:

Indeed, when I checked in my newsreader it did not appear to carry
the groups mentioned. However it did not take long to find at a number
of other groups that are still cause for concern. It may be that the
list of groups Leafnode is showing me is out of date however.


JAB.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:21:07 -0000, "Amigo Entertainments"
<stinky@poo.com> wrote:


LOL - How I love getting paid to read such well considered trolling.

As has already been said, we are members of the IWF, on organisation
who I think you will agree have been, so far, the most effective UK
organisation at dealing with matters in this area. Feel free to liaise
with them in relation to any specific content you feel we should not
be carrying and I'm sure that we can sort this out on an amicable and
professional level.

I do think that singling out one provider for criticism in this area
is unfair and as far as I am concerned there isn't very much more we
can say in this thread - I think the actions taken demonstrate that
your original assertion is incorrect. If you want to discuss the
legalities and principles of Usenet publishing though I would be happy
to pick that up on monday, provided you can remain rational and avoid
stooping to the level you just did.

Night,

Ian
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:24:36 -0000, "Amigo Entertainments"
<stinky@poo.com> wrote:


I am going home now, but are you saying that "Experience thousands of
newsgroups with our dedicated Usenet service" is an advert to come and
download pornography from our service?

Do all other ISPs offer this without mentioning it on their website?

Catch ya Monday....

Regards,

Ian
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"Amigo Entertainments" <stinky@poo.com> wrote in message
news:EebQb.18540$tQ6.860324@wards.force9.net...
(Electronic coke?!? Worthy concept...)

But, I like the cut of your giblets! Great argument:

"If I snort cocaine and a bag of it arrives by post, Royal Mail *has*
committed a crime! And so has my postie!"


Actually not. They have to KNOWINGLY SUPPLY. *Both* words need to be valid.

Is connecting and supplying the same? Is BT "supplying" you with porn if
someone faxes you a picture of a couple bonking? What then - ban faxing?

If ISP's dropped all "warez" newsgroups would you then prosecute them all
for someone posting a "cracked" commercial drawing program in a personal art
sharing newsgroup?

Or should we all simply go back to living in caves because any development
is open to abuse?

I certainly don't let my kids anywhere near usenet or p2p or IRC, and any
email goes through me. No, it isn't nice, sometimes.

Hey, it's not a perfect world, but police *are* better off spending more
time going after the actual perpetrators - rather than the
services/opportunities/technology which they abuse.

"Amigo Entertainments" <stinky@poo.com> wrote in message
newsEdQb.26964$qx2.3099131@stones.force9.net...

-snip-
Nice to share an isp with
were downloading from their business accounts in the first place.

Wango

I see - to qualify to use a public newsgroup I must employ a certain
newsreader because the village idiot likes to play. No worries, I use this
one instead if thats the 'cool' dweeb thing to do.

The point PC makes about freedom of speech is irrelevant. This is about the
supply of child porn (one can only surmise as to why some people here are
keen to defend it under the freedom of speech guise). If, and this is the
IF, if plusnet are holding or retaining that material on any storage or
retrieval system it is illegal. If it is illegal for them to hold then
surely it is illegal for them to supply. Whilst I have a choice as to what
groups I choose to subscribe too, I don't have the choice with my default
isp news service to have these unpalatable and distasteful groups as part
of the bundle.

Of course I am a plusnet customer - I would have to be to quote the source
accurately. It would be ironic, fuckwit, if I made the claim and was not.

Lets clear the freedom of speech thing up - if you think it OK to hold,
distribute or facilitate the transfer of child porn please say so below.
Let none of be in any doubt who does and does not support this.








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Phil Thompson wrote:


Fuckwit - if I were not how could I state the facts. Consider working for
nasa - you must have taken up space in class
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Phil Thompson wrote:

You struggling for something to do today...........
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Phil Thompson wrote:

"is it ok to say this or do that" is rather pointless because that is the
right of freedom of speech."

If this is so then please go and stand in the street saying "Hitler was
right", "Its OK to Gas Jews" and see how long it is before you are arrested
for inciting racial hatred.

Please place an advert in your local paper 'Free child porn delivery
service' and see how long it is before PC Plod calls by.

Now please, go and find a toy to play with......

Phil Thompson wrote:

their policies. Aren't you supposed to exercise your freedom of choice?"

Yawn....

You familiar with the law of contract?

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"Amigo Entertainments" <stinky@poo.com> wrote in message
news:6BdQb.26963$qx2.3098561@stones.force9.net...
-snip-
It's almost impossible to maintain total filtering and monitoring of all
groups and contents contained within.
ISP's should remove what is known to be illegal and work with their users
and similar to help identify any groups that may have slipped through the
net.
I'd be interested in knowing what your contribution to stopping child abuse
on the net is.

Wango

"PlusNet Support Team" <iwild@plus.net.uk> wrote in "Do all other ISPs offer
this without mentioning it on their website?"
No. most have removed the offending newsgroups - you have not. The fact that
it has been highlighted to you here publicly, and that you are defending it
sends out a loud and clear message about where plusnet stands on it. Perhaps
you may one day come accross pictures of your own kids on their, eh?

Thank you for confiriming this and that you are happy to sell illegal porn
dressed up as a 'usenet service'.

"PlusNet Support Team" <iwild@plus.net.uk> wrote in message "provided you
can remain rational and avoid
Which is quite rich from a pedler of child porn.....

"Or should we all simply go back to living in caves because any development
is open to abuse?"

There is NO defence for child abuse. What plusnet are doing here is plumbing
CLEARLY LABELED NG'S into homes and businesses and defending that. Not
turning a blind eye to a technology that is being abused - but plumbing a
clearly labelled set of disturbing and illegal contentented news groups into
the home.

That is supply. I'm sure if we take drugs as an anaology then supply is
usually more serious than posession, although in the case of illegal images
this tends to be much narrower.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:16:50 -0000, "Amigo Entertainments"
<stinky@poo.com> wrote:

they don't push it into the home, you go and collect it. They don't
supply it either, they transit it. Are BT responsible for everything
said over their phone lines ?

Phil

In article <5UpQb.18706$tQ6.903931@wards.force9.net>, stinky@poo.com
(Amigo Entertainments) wrote:

Given that usenet is not a 'push' technology, how are they forcing it
into people's homes and businesses?

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In article <9JpQb.18703$tQ6.903686@wards.force9.net>, stinky@poo.com says...
Then seeing as you feel so strongly about it Jik, why don't you give up your
Force 9 subscription? You do realise that you're connecting via Plus.net
don't you?

Pete.

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"Paul Cummins" <agree2pay4uce@spam.vlaad.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20040124101559.3216q@0007148297.gst-group.co.uk...
Push is the wrong word. To make easily available would be a better choice.
There is little difference in holding this material as part of a
subscription service and going to a blatent site and downloading.

Let me run this past you - if it's OK for plusnet to do it, and fully legal
why are the groups mentioned not available through the likes of ntl,
tiscali, aol, onetel to pick just 4 that I can confirm.

Seems to be a lot of support for this kind of material here - which is more
than a minor concern.

Mr Cummings please quit from adding that binary executable to your tag or I
will list your name, address and phone number here.