OK, Plusnet have now published the guidelines:

http://www.plus.net/support/features...ge_guide.shtml

I thought I'd do a little calculation to work out how to throttle
Azureus during peak hours and this is what I got:

Peak Time - 30 Gb per month between 4 and 12

30 Gb per month = 0.99 Gb per day (based on 12 months / 365 days)
so maxed out over the 8 hours gives you just 36 Kbps to play with.

So I thought I'd see what the remaining 70 Gb per month over the
remaining 16 hours per day works out at - 42 Kbps not much more!

And 100 Gb over 24 hours a day works out at 40 Kbps

This stinks! PlusNet users are basically limited to less than 1/7 of
our connection speed.

Damn, I jumped the Pipex boat at the wrong time to the wrong island.

Hmmm. How much do PlusNet charge to migrate out in the first 12
months...?

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"Shevek" <DrShevek@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So do you really download 100Gb per month that it will reflect on your
service?

"Shevek" <DrShevek@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Are Plus.net saying you can't download over 30GB of peak traffic during a
month?

"Shevek" <DrShevek@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Shevek,

Your calculations may be correct (I haven't checked) but you based your
whole argument on 24 hrs, 7 day a week constant usage. That's not how a
typical consumer uses the Internet.

A non commercial user doesn't download 24/7 even if they do use peer to
peer. We don't all have to use peer to peer 24/7, perhaps a couple of nights
a week each week would be enough. A couple of hours browsing per evening and
downloading your email shouldn't need more than say 30GB a month total.
Remember this is a shared service. How you use your connection impacts on
others.

If you need to peer to peer or download 24/7 then fine there isn't a problem
with that but you need a comercial contract. Try it on Plusnet and you will
get speed capped. Seems fair to me.

Andy

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:29:18 +0100, "Gareth :-\\\) voom"
<iam@wanapoo.co.uk> wrote:

Basically yes - if you do more than that a few times in a few months
you'll get bandwidth limits on p2p and Usenet
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:38:58 +0100, <x> wrote:

That's fine and I can't disagree with what you say.

However, I signed up for an unlimited, uncapped service. That is not
what I am getting.

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"Shevek" <DrShevek@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You would be hard pushed to find an isp without a limit nowadays. You are
unlikely to use that limit 24 hours a day 7 days a week, so I am not sure
what the problem is.

.... we are already getting 'prioritised', couldn't get much slower at peak times.

Chris

<x> wrote:


So I assume you are a POTS management trying to impose on internet
users how internet is used.
Try tuning into the 10,000+ internet stations and your caps
are fucked. What Shevek is trying to tell you is that
MinusNet's internet is run by POTS management
because they have keyhole bandwidth leaving their buildings
and gets fucked by the same internet that everyone else
use happily.


Oh fucking hell. Look go back into the cave you crawled out from.
You never heard of 24/7 P2P?

Beck wrote:

Liar.
Millions of users out there.

You never heard of 24/7 P2P then? POTS management I assume is your
speciality?

"7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
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Seems to be your favourite line, try something original because its getting
boring now.

Beck wrote:


Zzzzzzzz!

"Shevek" <DrShevek@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I hear you. Plusnet (and other ISP's) would have known that an unlimited
service would have been unsustainable on the revenue generated from consumer
contracts when they placed those adverts. They got away with this for a
while but now they have a stark choice. Go under trying to provide
sufficient bandwidth to maintain the same quality of service to it's
customers or face up to facts and start rationing usage. Plus net is doing
this ahead of the competition but be assured that other providers will
follow lest they end up in the same situation that Demon finds itself in at
present.

The choice is between an ISP with unlimited use and a slow connection at
times as a result or an ISP with a fair / sustainable usage policy and a
resonable connection. I choose the latter.

Andy.

On 30 Sep 2005 00:37 GMT, 7 wrote:

Even with some fairly long connections to webcams running at high speeds,
my usage in August was under 45 GB (not bad on a "throttled" Plus.Net
Broadband Plus account costing 14.99 a month).

Not everyone needs peer-to-peer, nor uses it 24x7. Those who do will clearly
not find every ISP offers them what they want for the price they might have
chosen to pay. Pay 21.99 and accept some restrictions, or perhaps pay an
ISP some higher fee, and get fewer restrictions. Matter of choice (and
depth of one's pocket) isn't it. Not everyone is willing to spend as
much, but if they feel the ISP doesn't do what they want, there's a
lot of others around, some of which *may* give them "no limits" a
while longer, but most have some "fair usage" policy to hit heaviest
users with. Frankly, your repeat postings should trigger a bot cancel,
as they're so frequently similar as to be rather boring. Roll on BI. Peter.
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:38:45 GMT, [7] said :-

Try again Slick - Beck said ISP, not user. Those using unlimited may
well find out a difference in the future

Not seen "your company" providing a service yet Sonny ?

Why are you using the Telewest system which is one of the most
appalling in the UK ?

On 29 Sep 2005 13:27, "Beck" <my_bulkmail@btopenworld.invalid> wrote:

One has to assume so... I guess that switching ISP is the only option, but
then again, if s/he paid more than 21.99 a month the limits would be higher.
I'm not a user of any peer-to-peer software, so it doesn't affect me, though
on the 14.99 account I use, both peer-to-peer and Usenet traffic is "calmed"
to either slow (01:00 to 08:00, giving me arond 30 kB/s for Usenet) to "very
slow" the rest of the time, at half that speed. Still, no matter, for their
fee, I am quite happy, and while some traffic is "calmed", I can use various
streaming video and audio services without speed reductions... Peter M.
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Thats the crux of it - if someone wants to max out their service then they
should not rely on a £15 a month account. Pay the premiums and get an
uncapped service.

On 2 Oct 2005 13:05, "Beck" <my_bulkmail@btopenworld.invalid> wrote:

Sorry, I think we're at cross-purposes. None of the accounts from Plus.Net is
now *uncapped* as they all fall under the Sustainable Usage Policy which gives
various limits for their Premier accounts, on fees of 21.99, 29.99, 39.99 :-

There's a "peak hours" limit of 30 / 45 / 60 GB (peak hours being 1600-0000)

There's also a "total" limit of 100/ 150/ 200 GB a month

<http://www.plus.net/support/features/sustainable_usage_guide.shtml>

The account I'm on (Broadband Plus) at *14.99* a month has no reported limits,
but does have low speeds for both peer-to-peer and Usenet traffic, while no
"calming" takes place when I am streaming movies from CinemaNow or viewing
webcams, or other video sources. Overall my usage would be lower if they
had moderate speeds for Usenet, as I'd most likely only d/l 5 to 10 GB a
month from Usenet, compared with 20 to 30 GB (video streaming)! Peter.
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"poster" <us-mail@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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No not crossed wires, just my wrong use of the term "uncapped".
Plusnet do a very good deal but if people are not happy with the theoretical
100Gb per month then they could go elsewhere and pay more for a totally
unlimited service.