I've been with Wanadoo since the Freeserve days and by and large I haven't
had many problems. Started off with the 512k service then upped to 1M and
then 2M as they became available, all without problems.

Today however I had cause to reboot my AVM Fritz!Box modem/router, having
made some changes to the VoIP configuration, nothing at all to do with the
ISP login. The thing flatly refused to login, despite my having sync with
the exchange ok, so after several reboots, all with the same result, I bit
the bullet and rang the 0870 "technical support" line.

Spoke to someone who wondered if it might be a server problem, she put me
on the inevitable hold music (I think Wanadoo hold music is specially
designed to induce suicide before the call is answered..!) and after 3 or
4 minutes of this I got cut off.

Redialling got me someone totally different and as soon as I mentioned the
magic word "router" he didn't have a clue what I was talking about and
transferred me to the "department that deals with routers" who turned out
to know nothing at all about anything that wasn't a Wanadoo Livebox.

Third time of asking I got someone even more clueless who at least
admitted she wasn't trained on anything except the Speedtouch USB modems.
I had had enough by this time and asked to speak to a supervisor. More
suicide music for 3 minutes then back she came, "he's extremely busy" said
she. "He's going to be even busier in a minute" says I. "I'm not going
away until I speak to him, try again..!"

3 more suicidal minutes and the supervisor appeared. I told him the
problem all over again and he asked me the phone number the ADSL was
linked to. I told him and he asked me the user ID, which I told him, which
was "xxxxx.fsnet.co.uk@fs". "Ah" he said, it shouldn't be "@fs", it should
be "@bb2.freeserve.co.uk".

"Uh..?" said I. That's what it used to be 3 or more years ago when I first
started with them, then they upgraded some servers and I was told to
change the bit after the @ sign to just "fs" which it has been ever since.
He said "you've recently upgraded to the 2Mbit service, haven't you..?"
Yes, I said, he then said that the login had changed when that had
happened. How this can be I have no idea, as the modem has been restarted
several times since the speed upgrade without the username being
changed..!

However changing the @fs bit to what it used to be before solved the
problem and I am now on line, but it is very strange..! Has anyone else
had this problem..?

What I *really* want to know though is why none of the so-called
"technical support" tubbies didn't pick up on the username being wrong, I
told it to all of them..! At least the supervisor seemed to know
something.

Ivor

well you will go with an isp that has a terrible reputation,never does what
they say and basically is a bag of cacak.

Try www.ntl.co.uk

superb,flawless service, no downtime and top notch support,NOT that youll
ever need it because the service is flawless.

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:29:30 UTC, "Mr T" <ba@baracus.uk> wrote:

Ignore the troll.

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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:13:49 GMT, [Mr T] said :-

NTL are incompetent fools. They do nothing about their spam zombies
that spew out over the net.

On 05 Sep 2005 19:29 GMT, "Mr T" <ba@baracus.uk> wrote:

and not available to a good portion of the country, so without knowing the
location, makes the recommendation academic, doesn't it. Peter M.

PS I think you should go by the posting ID of 81.110.218.193 which is a
lot more useful for people to filter out, than any of the pseudonyms
you use, depending on the phase of the moon, or something...

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From: "Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:33:46 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

what a surprise, hiding behind a fake address ....

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From: "Big Boy UK :-\)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk>
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:53:35 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

perhaps you should consider a more reliable and consistent broadband isp
such as ntl

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From: "ShareholderUK" <dannydyerismint@dannydyerthestud.uk>
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:58:22 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

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From: "BadLadsArmy" <badlads@badladscrew.cr>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:13:06 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

---------------------------------8<-------------------------------
From: "CCTV" <security@cctv.netuk>
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:41:57 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

---------------------------------8<-------------------------------
From: "<@>" <999@999.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:09:20 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

---------------------------------8<-------------------------------
From: "Boss" <Boss@bossman.uk>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:21:25 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

---------------------------------8<-------------------------------
From: "UKHierarchy" <UK@Hierarchy.uk>
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:09:34 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.110.218.193

---------------------------------8<-------------------------------

(What can one say ? Pot, Kettle... Black :-)

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"poster" <us-mail@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:8maph1dv7j87v88u3peins11aakjj7mcq5@news.plus. net
Does anyone have anything constructive to say about my original post..? We
all know Stefan is a pillock, repeating it doesn't stop him being one..!

Ivor

On 5 Sep 2005 22:51, "Ivor Jones" wrote:

Don't remember ever speaking with Freeserve for support in the 30+ months I
used them. Tale of woe seems pretty likely with such a mass market service
firm, if one is not using hardware they supplied. Using an 0870 is better
than some ISPs that might have a premium rate number... Not much more to
say, unless you want a MAC :-) Peter M.

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:51:09 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

it was nicely formatted, if perhaps a little long.

but seriously.....

you didn't really say if the other agents asked you what speed you
were on, or if it had changed recently, or if the username was in a
certain format. You eventually got to someone with the necessary
skills so one could argue that the system worked :-)

These mass market ISPs trawl so far down the food chain that tech
support must be a nightmare. With about 8 versions of windows on the
go and an infinite permutation of computer types, peripherals,
software etc etc I can see why they would restrict support to a USB
modem or their own router box.

They should have got you to try the bt_test@startup_domain login to
prove that the link worked OK, fairly standard troubleshooting.

The online help still says " * Enter your Broadband Username
which we provided when you registered, adding '@fs' to the end, for
example yourname.wanadoo.co.uk@fs
* Enter your account password
* Click on Connect"

so there's room for improvement.

Phil
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Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:
days of non-working but it would appear that the right answer was
obtained within a not-too-long time.

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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in
message news:77jqh1ds5uatltnoi2uc8o2n9gbrh36b9l@4ax.com
I do tend to waffle when I'm on a mission ;-)

[stands to attention..!]

No they didn't. They asked me what my username was, *which I told them*
but made no comment on the format.

None of which has any relevance to a login issue. It doesn't matter *what*
computer or hardware/software you are running in order to be able to
connect, provided said stuff is configured correctly, which mine was, in
that they never told me at the time of my speed upgrade that my username
would change as a result.

Indeed they should, but they didn't and I never thought of it (I shouldn't
have to, that's their job..!)

But to get at the online help, you have to be able to get online ;-)

Indeed. Why did it take so long and several attempts (and interminable
minutes on hold to suicide music..!) to get to speak to someone who had
more than two brain cells..?! (Don't start me off about the waiting or
we'll be back to the anti-0870 debate again..!!)

Ivor

<usenet@isbd.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3o55loF3th63U3@individual.net
But far longer than necessary. The *first* person I spoke to, on being
told of my username, should have immediately spotted the error and told me
what I should have been using.

Come to that, when my username changed, they surely should have told me
*then* rather than waiting for me to find I couldn't log in..?

[sarcasm]

It couldn't *possibly* be due to (a) bad/lack of training or (b) the money
made from keeping people on hold on 0870 numbers, could it..?!

[/sarcasm]


Ivor

On 06 Sep 2005 09:14, Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:

When the cost of 2000 kbps goes down to 9.99 a month under the Orange
brnading (to replace Wanadoo) and every Orange contract customer gets
invited to switch to their ISP for broadband access, there will be an
even greater strain on support services, though arguably, they may be
cheaper to call using an Orange mobile on some special number... PGM.

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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:57:24 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

presumably that was just to find you in the database, Demon do the
same - what's your hostname. Not necessarily a check on the formatting
or anything.

but it does have a profound effect on where you put the said
information, so someone only trained to configure DUN connectoids or
have you run an auto-config from the web page may not know about the
existence of routers or web interfaces on same.

that's not a debate, its an obsession of some people and of no
interest to some others :-)

Phil
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:00:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

training, or perhaps the automated systems the call centre uses, are
clearly a bit poor.

the money taken from an 0870 call is not enough to pay the minimum
wage of the poor sap at the other end, even if they got the whole
8p/minute (which they don't). ISPs would be better off financially
reducing call centre staff and extending queue times to deter callers.

At least a 50p/minute call charge has a chance of coming near the cost
of providing the service to those that feel they need it. Others can
avoid paying it and look it up on the net which is where the real
support comes from.

It might be something to do with paying a quid or month or so for
Wanadoo to provide the ISP servive (after deducting the wholesale
charges they pay for your end connection and BT Central bandwidth).

Phil
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AOL - the unlimited ISP of choice for heavy downloaders.

Please refrain from using innapropriate language like that.


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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in
message news:08vqh1dkvccbcddfmd0kvinhbh6j2pr80m@4ax.com
Indeed. Depart from their script, particularly by mentioning the magic
word "router" and they're lost.

Steady on, don't give them ideas..! ;-)

But to look things up on the net you need to be able to connect..! My
problem was I couldn't.

True.

Ivor

"Mr T" <ba@baracus.uk> wrote in message
news:QffTe.1456$st1.718@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net
Like what..? Some context would be nice.

Talking about yourself again, eh Stefan..?!

Ivor

Eyevor you drive a motorbike bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you drive buses strange
considering your technical knowledge.

Eyevor the truth will outt eventually love

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and youre a wankerdoo user as well ENUFF SAID

Youre in my killfile now eyevore you bore me to tears

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