- Any Laptops Sold That Aren't Loaded With Crapware?
- Posted by DLKR on April 2nd, 2005
None of the laptop sellers sites mention how much crapware is loaded on their
machines.
I'd like to limit my choices to those that contain no (or very little)
crapware - or, if that's not possible, to those where the crapware can be
easily removed.
This wouldn't be the prime criteria in selecting my laptop but, everything else
being equal, would be a strong selling point.
- Posted by AndrewJ on April 2nd, 2005
Just borrow an XP CD and do a clean install. Turn on system restore so
you can go back if a problem occurs down the line. Better yet, keep a
copy of the fresh installed drive in a folder on your desktop PC
and/or a DVD.
............
AJ
- Posted by Paul Rubin on April 3rd, 2005
"DLKR" <DLKR@deadspam.com> writes:
For all of them except Sony, it's easy to remove the crapware by
reformatting the disc. I've heard of some bizarre crap in Sony
machines that prevent you from installing a new OS if you delete the
old one. You can't even upgrade from the crapware Microsoft OS that
they give you, to a new Microsoft version.
- Posted by AndrewJ on April 3rd, 2005
I've done half a dozen Vaio's with zero trouble. But yes, they were
the worst. Shipped with over 30 cases of spy/malware on them.
--------
AJ
- Posted by Robin Brumfield on April 3rd, 2005
In article <c4G3e.2557$44.767@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.ne t>,
DLKR@deadspam.com says...
Powernotebooks without any OS if you like. Go to the local stores and
buy the OS of your choice and install.
--
Robin
Charleston, WV
- Posted by MAG on April 3rd, 2005
In article <c4G3e.2557$44.767@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.ne t>,
DLKR@deadspam.com says...
I just got a new T42p; hardly anything needed to be removed.
- Posted by Paul Rubin on April 3rd, 2005
MAG <somebody@somewhere.com> writes:
I don't think there are any Thinkpads in current production that you
can buy without a Windows preinstall.
- Posted by Veritech on April 3rd, 2005
they the older ones also ship with a full version of win xp encripted so you
can't use it, lol
just as i found out about the spyware thing as i was just gonna buy a new
hdd for my vaio and use the restore disk, so much for that.
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- Posted by J. Clarke on April 3rd, 2005
Paul Rubin wrote:
So what? This notion that buying a machine with a Windows preinstall and
then wiping the Windows to install something else is tantamount to
desecrating Mom, Apple Pie, and The Girl You Left Behind strikes me as just
plain silly. If you don't want Windows just wipe out the bloody Windows.
As for depriving Microsoft of the ten bucks or whatever that IBM pays in
royalties (assuming IBM pays anything at all) I could really give a
damn--that kind of petty hatred of Microsoft is just plain nuts.
--
--John
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- Posted by Paul Rubin on April 3rd, 2005
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> writes:
Well yeah, I reverse-defenestrate computers with great joy (reverse
defenestration = throwing Windows out of a computer). But that
doesn't mean that Windows doesn't arrive on the machine waiting to be
removed, which is what the OP asked about.
There is also the matter of the silly "designed for Windows" sticker
that needs to be peeled off, which sometimes leaves some residue to
clean up afterwards. And while some users peel off the Windows
sticker the minute they take the brand new machine out of the box and
before they reverse-defenestrate the hard drive, I couldn't bring
myself to do that because I was concerned about being able return the
machine if something was wrong with it. So I left it on, but it made
me feel dirty. I guess I should take it off now.
- Posted by J. Clarke on April 4th, 2005
Paul Rubin wrote:
He did? He was asking about "crapware". While you may equate "crapware"
with "Windows" that doesn't mean that others do.
Oh, such a horrible burden. My heart bleeds for you.
Sounds like you've got some real problems if having a particular sticker on
a machine causes you such anguish. I shudder to think what you feel when
some young lady puts you down in a bar.
--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
- Posted by Paul Rubin on April 4th, 2005
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> writes:
He did not specify what he meant by crapware. So I used my own
interpretation. I'm not a mind reader.
- Posted by Joseph Fenn on April 4th, 2005
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, it was written:
empty so can put in linux or something useful and not obvious to
virus hackers! In fact would put some of my old commodore
128 stuff if it would function on a MS (monkey circus) OS.
Kokomo Joe
- Posted by BillW50 on April 4th, 2005
"Joseph Fenn" <jfenn@lava.net> wrote in message
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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:24:29 -1000
Yeah thems my sentiments too!!! Wish they would just sell the
laptops empty so can put in linux or something useful and not
obvious to virus hackers!
They sell desktops without any OS. So I don't see why they don't for
laptops.
In fact would put some of my old commodore 128 stuff if it would
function on a MS (monkey circus) OS.
Actually you can. As there are a few free Commodore 128 Emulators out
there.
Cheers!
___________________________________________
Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
-- written and edited within Word 2000
- Posted by Notan on April 4th, 2005
BillW50 wrote:
They *who*, sell desktops without any OS?
Notan
- Posted by Paul Rubin on April 4th, 2005
Notan <notan@ddress.com> writes:
Huh? It's easy to buy desktops with no OS. I may get one from
http://endpcnoise.com but there's tons of cheaper generic ones.
- Posted by Notan on April 4th, 2005
Paul Rubin wrote:
I guess it's easy for any mom-and-pop shop to slap together
a desktop without an OS... Not so easy to do with a laptop.
Notan
- Posted by BillW50 on April 4th, 2005
Actually the Wal-Mart store sells:
Wal-Mart starts selling $498 Linux-based laptop
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000940024326/
They also sell Linux desktops.
Cheers!
___________________________________________
Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
-- written and edited within Word 2000
"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
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Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:51:52 -0600
- Posted by Paul Rubin on April 4th, 2005
Notan <notan@ddress.com> writes:
There are some laptops you can buy with no OS, but only from small
vendors reselling generic models. You end up paying about as much as
you'd end up paying a higher volume vendor for the same hardware with
Windows pre-installed. It's hard to escape.
http://www.pricewatch.com/h/mn.aspx?i=336&f=1
is Pricewatch's selection of no-OS laptops. Maybe I'll check this
next time I'm in the market. I keep coming back to Thinkpads though.
- Posted by Notan on April 4th, 2005
BillW50 wrote:
While "Balance" appears to be a name brand (?),
they'd still fall into *my* mom-and-pop category.
Anyway, wasn't the question, "Why don't they sell
laptops without OSs?"
Notan
