I was thinking of getting an IBM Thinkpad X series, but
I notices they don't yet have built-in WiFi for those.
Anyone know if there's plans to include that in them?
For a lightweight laptop with only 1 CardBus slot, I would
think built-in WiFi would be a standard kind of thing.

- Tim

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In article <si0tdb.nf3.ln@news.it.uc3m.es>,
Peter T. Breuer <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote:
Oh? Like the way you "noticed" that I said "lightweight Centrino laptops"
in the subject line? So your X24 uses the Centrino chipset does it?
Amazing! I wonder how you got a Centrino chipset into an X24 before
the Centrino was even on the market! :-)

Next time you get nasty (or appear to -- remember, in a text-only humor
can easily be missed) on someone you don't know, think "benefit of the
doubt", alright kiddo?

- Tim

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Spammay Blockay wrote:
Centrino is an Intel trademark for Pentium M laptops which must contain
an Intel minipci wireless card. There is a third requirement for using
the trademark, I'll leave it for you to Google.

Q

Spammay Blockay <SPAMBLOCKER@blockedtoavoidspam.com> wrote:
The subject line does not manifest itself in my reader, which could get
about 30 chars of it in!


1 + 24 req: Picture to HTML converter Solbu
2 + 34 CD-ROM not found Walter Mautner

and

9 + 3 34 Any lightweight Centrino laptops with Spammay Blockay

If you have anything to say, you put it in the body. I have and had no
idea you were restricting your comments to centrino machines from your
post.

Centrino certified machines by definition have a wifi chip on board.
It's part of the definition.

Peter

In article <fdstdb.rjl.ln@news.it.uc3m.es>,
Peter T. Breuer <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote:
That's right, blame me for your own not being able to read
the Subject line because of your newsreader. Thanks a bunch.

Then that's my mistake -- I thought the Centrino chipset was only a
subset of Pentium M processor-related chips, and didn't necessarily
include the WiFi.

See, I can admit when I've made a mistake, and don't launch into
attacks unprevoked. Let's see if you can do the same.

- Tim

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In article <b5193c75.0307011804.681fac8c@posting.google.com>,
G Tom <xanthinine@yahoo.com> wrote:
I mentioned in another post just now, that I thought Centrino
only meant a certain subset of chips included with the Pentium M,
and didn't require WiFi. My mistake.

Sounds right to me.

- Tim

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Spammay Blockay <SPAMBLOCKER@blockedtoavoidspam.com> wrote:
The subject line does not form part of the message. It's a guide to
readers whether they should want to read your message or not. That's
what it's for. And I don't look at it at all. If you wonder why, it's
because I read very fast, so I don't care about optimising reading time.

I simply do not even see the subject line. I press <tab> to go directly
from one post to the next, without passing through the menu listing the
subject lines. If the post looks interesting (i.e. the first two lines
do), I reply. Your post talked about "an IBM X series", not a centrino,
that's all, and I replied to what it said. You said your research
indicated that X series IBM machines don't have wifi chips. That is
manifestly untrue, and the strangest of research results. It would be
doubly untrue even if you were talking about centrinos, since they have
wifi in by definition.

Peter

In article <atbudb.djr.ln@news.it.uc3m.es>,
Peter T. Breuer <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote:
Peter...

The Subject line is part of the news article, and I think most folks
in Usenet could convincingly argue that it ought to be considered as
part of the message of the article as a whole. For example:

From: Joe User
Subject: My Dog Died, I am sad

Can anybody offer any solace to me?

Part of the *context* of the message is the Subject line. You are the
first person I've ever come into contact with who has tried to rationalize
their own mean-spirited behavior on Usenet by saying "Oh, the Subject line
doesn't matter, I shouldn't be expected to take it into account! I can
be as sarcastic as I want because I ignored part of a posting!"

I understand that you don't see the subject line; that is your decision.
It is also your decision to be civil to other posters who haven't been
uncivil to you (or not)... I can't imagine why you need to be sarcastic
for no reason, especially if you're purposefully ignoring the Subject
line of postings.

If you recall, I have *already* admitted that I didn't know about the
definition of "Centrino" including WiFi by definition, and apologizing
for being wrong about that.

Wonder when you'll be able to take responsibility yourself for your own
post-reading decisions and untoward nastiness. I hope soon.

- Tim

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Spammay Blockay <SPAMBLOCKER@blockedtoavoidspam.com> wrote:

This is an example of bad writing. The subject line should be
in the message! Like this!

From: Joe User
Subject: My Dog Died, I am sad

My Dog died, I am sad.
Can anybody offer any solace to me?

And anyway, the title should be "Man has ex-dog. Solace?"

No, it isn't. Look closely at a newspaper.


It's not a decision ! Pressing tab to cycle through the fifty
or so articles that have accumulated doesn't take me through a stage
where I review the titles of the articles first before reading them.
I can go and look up the title by hitting "up" to take me to the list
of titles, but why go "tab", "up", "down", "tab", instead of
"tab", "tab".

I am not "purposefully" doing it, any more than you are purposefully not
reading the international price list on the back page of the newspaper,
before reading the newspaper.

I'm not being nasty. I don't think much of your research capabilities -
since they result in your "noticing" that X series IBM machines "don't
come with wifi cards". Ah .. I understand now. You didn't realize that
the "centrino" description implied wifi and were looking for a listing
item for a wifi card in each of the paragraphs? But surely the detailed
spec would have listed the wifi! That's some more deficient research -
not reading the detailed spec.

Peter

Spammay Blockay <SPAMBLOCKER@blockedtoavoidspam.com> wrote:
Why should I apologise for hurting your feelings? It was your decision
to have them be hurt! I simply relayed my opinion about your research
prowess, since you "noticed" that IBM X series machines "don't have
wifi". You are free to ignore me and whatever I say about your research,
and also free to regard what I say as an observation and not an insult.
It's your decision to put your ego online.

Peter

Spammay Blockay <SPAMBLOCKER@blockedtoavoidspam.com> wrote:

Yes I saw that ;-)

The Centrino model went out two or three weeks
after I received my X30. It's easy: it's the X31.
The chipset is different but everything else seems
about the same.

The Prism2.5 is part of the mini-PCI inside the
machine, which also hosts the Ethernet. My current
PCMCIA slot is not used (you also have a flash card
reader available).

What's nice with those models is the sides of the
screen are used for antennas, so you get kick ass
signal. I have an Apple iBook 12" and since it's
antenna is just a small wire under the keyboard,
it can't have Wireless to work where the X30 does,
and it must be much closer to the Wireless base.
The machine is sold with two antennas: Bluetooth
and Wireless, and Wireless is part of the machine,
so you can choose to add Bluetooth or buy it later.

--
Gilbert Fernandes

Quaoar <jwglasspeAT@comcastdot.net> wrote:

The wireless card of the X30 is an Intel
and it's name is "High-Rate Intel Wireless".
But inside it uses a Prism2.5 chip. Like
most wireless cards, you will find a chip
inside that comes from either Prism, Lucent
or Orinoco (while the people that sell the
machines to you just put their brand over it).

The only part the X30 lacks to be a Centrino
machine is the chipset, since everything is
the same. Centrino is just buzzword for people
that like buzzwords. The chipset doesn't really
matter if your objective is excellent Wireless
support and a Pentium M processor

IBM laptops offer great quality so either
Centrino or not I would suggest to get one.

--
Gilbert Fernandes

Fujitsu P5000 www.fujitsupc.com

Wonder if and when they'll bring over the DVD-R drive for it from Japan
- the same model in Japan, the LOOX T90D, already is the worlds lightest
~3.5lbs DVD-R burning P-M laptop in the world.

The P5000D is the same thing, but with a non-intel Wi-Fi chipset (thus
can't legally call it Centrino), but otherwise, identical and with
better WiFi capabilties to boot!

Peter, he's right, you're wrong, the subject line provides the context for
the rest of the message; you lose out when you don't read it.

"Spammay Blockay" <SPAMBLOCKER@BLOCKEDTOAVOIDSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:bdv2u2$upj$1@bolt.sonic.net...

So Centrino doesn't also imply lower power consumption as well?

Chip


<gilbertf@netbsd-fr.org> wrote in message
news:be1rjr$rlf$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...

Chip Orange <acorange@comcast.net> wrote:

Please do not TOP POST. Fixing.

I'm sorry, the title of a book does not provide context for a book, the
title of a newspaper article does not provide context for a newspaper
article, and so on. Where do you get your wild ideas from?

Peter